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According to AWS, most mail servers will not even count statistics for low-volume senders. If that is true, then it won't matter whether your personal email ser

According to AWS, most mail servers will not even count statistics for low-volume senders. If that is true, then it won't matter whether your personal email server has been up for 20 years or 1 year, it won't have any reputation.

zbuf 5y ago
This matches my exprience. I switched recently after 10+ years, and was cautious that this might be a problem but it hasn't been at all. I think it has more to do with the choice of ISP.
- pseudalopex 5y ago
  I think they meant servers with no reputation are punished. Other comments said so at least. What ISP should someone choose?
  - zbuf 5y ago
    Interesting, I misinterpreted what was being said! I'm doubtful a default block would work, as that would even penalise the 'big boys' of email when they make basic network changes and piss off existing customers of both sender and receiver... Its easier and logical to conclude something without reputation yet is therefore sending too few mails to be useful to a spammer. I've had good experiences with smaller ISPs (currently Mythic Beasts). In contrast, OVH was a poor experience. I find that reputation (beyond the known "block-lists") appears more likely being tracked for the whole AS number, therefore a lot more to do with your "neighbours" than anything else.
  - oblib 5y ago
    >What ISP should someone choose? What matters most is if the IP address they issue you has been blacklisted for spamming. DigitalOcean is fine but you need to check the IP address before you do the work of building a mail server. Some of their IPs are on a lot of blacklists. If it's only on a very few you need to look into who's blacklisting it. There are some that offer a way to get delisted and make it easy, there are others that block pretty much every IP address DigitalOcean has (or large ranges of them) and they won't de-list anything within them. Many of those blacklists are managed overseas and not used much in the U.S. No matter the ISP you should check the IP address they issue for a VPS before you build the email server.
peteri 5y ago
Yeah, I have that problem with gmail, I had a test account with a weak password get exploited a few years ago. Now for any new gmail address I want to send to seems to endup in spam. The problem here is there is no getting out of jail easily for low volume email users. My personal gmail account is full of spam and emails I do want from email lists end up the spam folder randomly.

zbuf 5y ago

This matches my exprience. I switched recently after 10+ years, and was cautious that this might be a problem but it hasn't been at all. I think it has more to do with the choice of ISP.

pseudalopex 5y ago
I think they meant servers with no reputation are punished. Other comments said so at least. What ISP should someone choose?
- zbuf 5y ago
  Interesting, I misinterpreted what was being said! I'm doubtful a default block would work, as that would even penalise the 'big boys' of email when they make basic network changes and piss off existing customers of both sender and receiver... Its easier and logical to conclude something without reputation yet is therefore sending too few mails to be useful to a spammer. I've had good experiences with smaller ISPs (currently Mythic Beasts). In contrast, OVH was a poor experience. I find that reputation (beyond the known "block-lists") appears more likely being tracked for the whole AS number, therefore a lot more to do with your "neighbours" than anything else.
- oblib 5y ago
  >What ISP should someone choose? What matters most is if the IP address they issue you has been blacklisted for spamming. DigitalOcean is fine but you need to check the IP address before you do the work of building a mail server. Some of their IPs are on a lot of blacklists. If it's only on a very few you need to look into who's blacklisting it. There are some that offer a way to get delisted and make it easy, there are others that block pretty much every IP address DigitalOcean has (or large ranges of them) and they won't de-list anything within them. Many of those blacklists are managed overseas and not used much in the U.S. No matter the ISP you should check the IP address they issue for a VPS before you build the email server.

peteri 5y ago

Yeah, I have that problem with gmail, I had a test account with a weak password get exploited a few years ago. Now for any new gmail address I want to send to seems to endup in spam. The problem here is there is no getting out of jail easily for low volume email users. My personal gmail account is full of spam and emails I do want from email lists end up the spam folder randomly.