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It’s down to brute force raw power and performance per watt nowadays. Apple mostly wins the latter but the former is inevitably going to kill demand for those c

It’s down to brute force raw power and performance per watt nowadays. Apple mostly wins the latter but the former is inevitably going to kill demand for those climate unfriendly servers due to cooling and powering problems. We await the high end Mac systems with much interest.

izacus 5y ago
Since those high-end Mac systems won't be able to run in datacenters, what's the point there? You're pretty much at the mercy of whatever Intel, AMD and other ARM manufacturers release.
- api 5y ago
  Apple should license the M1 core architecture to someone to make server chips with it. They'd make some extra money and lose nothing... in fact they might gain since it would build market share around the architecture.
  - sgt101 5y ago
    So obvious, and yet apple is worth $3tr...
  - klelatti 5y ago
    If the massive bandwidth shared CPU / GPU memory approach is optimum on the desktop for many workloads then one would think that there would be a sizeable market for that in the cloud - after all many desktop workloads (video editing) for example are moving to the cloud. Can’t see it being Apple but feels like an opportunity for someone.
  - Symmetry 5y ago
    Because Apple wasn't interested in doing that some engineers left to found their own company doing Apple style cores for serves. It was called Nuvia. It was eventually bought by Qualcomm who decided to try to use those cores in Mobile despite the actual designs not being suited for that. I feel like I shouldn't just spill Charlie's scoop on exactly why[1] but it doesn't look good. [1]https://semiaccurate.com/2021/12/01/how-is-the-qualcomm-nuvia-acquisition-going/ https://semiaccurate.com/2021/12/01/how-is-the-qualcomm-nuvi...
    - ksec 5y ago
      My suggestion it to watch the investor day meeting along with Ananadtech reporting on the issue. As usual not sure what Charlies is on about. >who decided to try to use those cores in Mobile despite the actual designs not being suited for that. I Not sure where that idea came from. It was designed with similar wattage in mind as current A15.
- klelatti 5y ago
  > Mac systems won’t be able to run in datacenters https://aws.amazon.com/pm/ec2-mac/ https://aws.amazon.com/pm/ec2-mac/
  - adamcstephens 5y ago
    These are seemingly MacOS only which doesn’t really qualify for the vast majority of data center uses. They’re here to build software for Apple devices and that’s pretty much it.
  - monsieurbanana 5y ago
    From that link, the use cases are: > Developing, building, testing, and signing iOS, iPadOS, macOS, WatchOS, and tvOS applications on the Xcode IDE. I thought it was more for when you don't have a choice (Apple forces you to) than general usage. Are things going to change?
    - klelatti 5y ago
      IIRC the MacOS EULA forbids anything else but .. When Linux boots natively on these systems that restriction will fall away.
- sys_64738 5y ago
  Well not sure about your data center comment. But it has gotten those making purchasing decisions asking about ARM based and their alternatives. Apple doing ARM lends legitimacy to other ARM vendors where previously the topic could lead to ridicule.

izacus 5y ago

Since those high-end Mac systems won't be able to run in datacenters, what's the point there? You're pretty much at the mercy of whatever Intel, AMD and other ARM manufacturers release.

api 5y ago
Apple should license the M1 core architecture to someone to make server chips with it. They'd make some extra money and lose nothing... in fact they might gain since it would build market share around the architecture.
- sgt101 5y ago
  So obvious, and yet apple is worth $3tr...
- klelatti 5y ago
  If the massive bandwidth shared CPU / GPU memory approach is optimum on the desktop for many workloads then one would think that there would be a sizeable market for that in the cloud - after all many desktop workloads (video editing) for example are moving to the cloud. Can’t see it being Apple but feels like an opportunity for someone.
- Symmetry 5y ago
  Because Apple wasn't interested in doing that some engineers left to found their own company doing Apple style cores for serves. It was called Nuvia. It was eventually bought by Qualcomm who decided to try to use those cores in Mobile despite the actual designs not being suited for that. I feel like I shouldn't just spill Charlie's scoop on exactly why[1] but it doesn't look good. [1]https://semiaccurate.com/2021/12/01/how-is-the-qualcomm-nuvia-acquisition-going/ https://semiaccurate.com/2021/12/01/how-is-the-qualcomm-nuvi...
  - ksec 5y ago
    My suggestion it to watch the investor day meeting along with Ananadtech reporting on the issue. As usual not sure what Charlies is on about. >who decided to try to use those cores in Mobile despite the actual designs not being suited for that. I Not sure where that idea came from. It was designed with similar wattage in mind as current A15.
klelatti 5y ago
> Mac systems won’t be able to run in datacenters https://aws.amazon.com/pm/ec2-mac/ https://aws.amazon.com/pm/ec2-mac/
- adamcstephens 5y ago
  These are seemingly MacOS only which doesn’t really qualify for the vast majority of data center uses. They’re here to build software for Apple devices and that’s pretty much it.
- monsieurbanana 5y ago
  From that link, the use cases are: > Developing, building, testing, and signing iOS, iPadOS, macOS, WatchOS, and tvOS applications on the Xcode IDE. I thought it was more for when you don't have a choice (Apple forces you to) than general usage. Are things going to change?
  - klelatti 5y ago
    IIRC the MacOS EULA forbids anything else but .. When Linux boots natively on these systems that restriction will fall away.
sys_64738 5y ago
Well not sure about your data center comment. But it has gotten those making purchasing decisions asking about ARM based and their alternatives. Apple doing ARM lends legitimacy to other ARM vendors where previously the topic could lead to ridicule.