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Even if that was the case, the screen is the primary information and control interface for the driver, and should not be displaying any focus drawing, non-drivi

by olliej 5y ago

Even if that was the case, the screen is the primary information and control interface for the driver, and should not be displaying any focus drawing, non-driving related information.

ajross 5y ago
Define focus-drawing, though? Radio doesn't count? Full-screen climate control? Album art? Web browser? Pairing a bluetooth device? Hell, even having a glove box on the other side of the cabin is a distraction. The car is filled with distractions already, and we accept that it's broadly safe even if some drivers are distracted[1]. Why is this one in particular such a big deal for everyone, except for the somewhat obvious reason that it's new and Tesla did it. [1] To be fair: by far the most fatal distraction in the vehicle isn't even the device UI, it's the phone in their pocket.
- pandaman 5y ago
  Something moving with high frequency in the peripheral vision would be mighty distracting. I did not know Teslas allow you to browse Web while driving, this also looks very distracting, the other things you listed - not much.
  - ajross 5y ago
    It was Solitaire, FWIW, not Sonic the Hedgehog. The list of Passenger Play games was curated. Which is another fact that would seem to be reasonable to have included in the reporting, but was suspiciously absent.
    - pandaman 5y ago
      https://youtu.be/jKzHvIXT3Bc?t=81 https://youtu.be/jKzHvIXT3Bc?t=81 looks a bit more like Sonic the Hedgehog than Solitire to me tbqh. Curation does not seem to be relevant. Why do I care if the driver that runs the red light is playing/being distracted by a game that have been curated, is he going to cause less damage because of this somehow?
      - ajross 5y ago
        Arrgh! That's not the feature! That story showed shots of the normal games in the car that work when it's parked! That car wasn't moving! You can't play those games (Cupheads seems to ahve been shown) when it is moving! They didn't show you the games you could actually play, they showed you what they thought would make you upset. And it did. Seriously, the whole media ecosystem in this space is one intentional deception after another. Do you really not see that?
        pandaman 5y ago
        Even if it's just the Solitaire, as you claim, it's still something that should not be playing in the car if it's anything like Windows game with the same name, where big, high contrast cards are moving around. Nor should be the web browser accessible. There is no justification for having these stupid features in the car other than marketing. Tesla should stick to the "Fart mode" and other such gimmicks, which do not endanger other people on the road and give enough for the fans to talk about the "superior technologies".
        Dylan16807 5y ago
        > where big, high contrast cards are moving around I feel like this is really a reach. The passenger is using their hands to move around those little cards, and I don't think that sounds any more distracting than half the things they could be doing like gesturing while talking or fidgeting slightly. Sonic would be bad, solitaire on a touch screen isn't bad unless the driver tries to play.
        pandaman 5y ago
        The passenger is supposed to play these games by touching the only screen in the car, the one that driver also uses for speed and navigation indications? Indeed, the size of the cards does not matter in this case, it's already distracting. I thought they have some gamepads for these games.

by olliej 5y ago

Even if that was the case, the screen is the primary information and control interface for the driver, and should not be displaying any focus drawing, non-driving related information.

ajross 5y ago

Define focus-drawing, though? Radio doesn't count? Full-screen climate control? Album art? Web browser? Pairing a bluetooth device? Hell, even having a glove box on the other side of the cabin is a distraction. The car is filled with distractions already, and we accept that it's broadly safe even if some drivers are distracted[1]. Why is this one in particular such a big deal for everyone, except for the somewhat obvious reason that it's new and Tesla did it. [1] To be fair: by far the most fatal distraction in the vehicle isn't even the device UI, it's the phone in their pocket.

pandaman 5y ago
Something moving with high frequency in the peripheral vision would be mighty distracting. I did not know Teslas allow you to browse Web while driving, this also looks very distracting, the other things you listed - not much.
- ajross 5y ago
  It was Solitaire, FWIW, not Sonic the Hedgehog. The list of Passenger Play games was curated. Which is another fact that would seem to be reasonable to have included in the reporting, but was suspiciously absent.
  - pandaman 5y ago
    https://youtu.be/jKzHvIXT3Bc?t=81 https://youtu.be/jKzHvIXT3Bc?t=81 looks a bit more like Sonic the Hedgehog than Solitire to me tbqh. Curation does not seem to be relevant. Why do I care if the driver that runs the red light is playing/being distracted by a game that have been curated, is he going to cause less damage because of this somehow?
    - ajross 5y ago
      Arrgh! That's not the feature! That story showed shots of the normal games in the car that work when it's parked! That car wasn't moving! You can't play those games (Cupheads seems to ahve been shown) when it is moving! They didn't show you the games you could actually play, they showed you what they thought would make you upset. And it did. Seriously, the whole media ecosystem in this space is one intentional deception after another. Do you really not see that?
      - pandaman 5y ago
        Even if it's just the Solitaire, as you claim, it's still something that should not be playing in the car if it's anything like Windows game with the same name, where big, high contrast cards are moving around. Nor should be the web browser accessible. There is no justification for having these stupid features in the car other than marketing. Tesla should stick to the "Fart mode" and other such gimmicks, which do not endanger other people on the road and give enough for the fans to talk about the "superior technologies".
        Dylan16807 5y ago
        > where big, high contrast cards are moving around I feel like this is really a reach. The passenger is using their hands to move around those little cards, and I don't think that sounds any more distracting than half the things they could be doing like gesturing while talking or fidgeting slightly. Sonic would be bad, solitaire on a touch screen isn't bad unless the driver tries to play.
        pandaman 5y ago
        The passenger is supposed to play these games by touching the only screen in the car, the one that driver also uses for speed and navigation indications? Indeed, the size of the cards does not matter in this case, it's already distracting. I thought they have some gamepads for these games.