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More like replace a working system with a more unreliable one with stability problems (and prioritize more features instead of fixing it) and more resource usag

More like replace a working system with a more unreliable one with stability problems (and prioritize more features instead of fixing it) and more resource usage, then push for its adoption, then complain when you get hate. Now yes, it gives you more functionality, but it was a pain until it got there. Systemd was just Pulseaudio all over again (except now in init, so if it breaks your whole system can't boot). Now, yes. initd is jurassic. Systemd got stable eventually and has gone beyond it. And this is more complicated than it seems. But still, it's the attitude that made things hard.

pverghese 5y ago
There is no reason to be so dramatic. In the end you are free to use any init system you want.
- raverbashing 5y ago
  > In the end you are free to use any init system you want. Not really https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Hard_dependencies_on_systemd https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Hard_dependencies_on_systemd
  - majewsky 5y ago
    Honestly this list is way shorter than I would have expected before clicking, and most of it is very niche stuff (not on the scale of "the entirety of GNOME", for example). Also, some of the entries have notes like "likely usable without systemd if someone puts in the work".
    - raverbashing 5y ago
      Good catch, for reference I'm surprised they fixed this (which was my main worry): > For versions 3.28 and earlier, the GNOME desktop environment contained components that required systemd-logind[5] (among them, notably, its display manager, GDM). However, as of version 3.30, Gentoo's packaging of GNOME allows it to work once again with sysvinit + OpenRC as the init system
- p_l 5y ago
  I was happy ignoring systemd (and no, not depending on broken debian/redhat rc.d scripts) till my distro gave update that due to GNOME 3.8 they are forced to switch everything to systemd instead of keeping it optional like before. It became a question of "are you going to have GNOME 3.8 or later, or not"
  - mrlonglong 5y ago
    Not really, I currently run Gnome 3.40 without needing systemd on my machine. How? I use Gentoo.
    - p_l 5y ago
      Gentoo devs are sometimes a bit dedicated. Sincerely, long time user of Gentoo :)

pverghese 5y ago

There is no reason to be so dramatic. In the end you are free to use any init system you want.

raverbashing 5y ago
> In the end you are free to use any init system you want. Not really https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Hard_dependencies_on_systemd https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Hard_dependencies_on_systemd
- majewsky 5y ago
  Honestly this list is way shorter than I would have expected before clicking, and most of it is very niche stuff (not on the scale of "the entirety of GNOME", for example). Also, some of the entries have notes like "likely usable without systemd if someone puts in the work".
  - raverbashing 5y ago
    Good catch, for reference I'm surprised they fixed this (which was my main worry): > For versions 3.28 and earlier, the GNOME desktop environment contained components that required systemd-logind[5] (among them, notably, its display manager, GDM). However, as of version 3.30, Gentoo's packaging of GNOME allows it to work once again with sysvinit + OpenRC as the init system
p_l 5y ago
I was happy ignoring systemd (and no, not depending on broken debian/redhat rc.d scripts) till my distro gave update that due to GNOME 3.8 they are forced to switch everything to systemd instead of keeping it optional like before. It became a question of "are you going to have GNOME 3.8 or later, or not"
- mrlonglong 5y ago
  Not really, I currently run Gnome 3.40 without needing systemd on my machine. How? I use Gentoo.
  - p_l 5y ago
    Gentoo devs are sometimes a bit dedicated. Sincerely, long time user of Gentoo :)