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> Sry Moxie, you lost my trust when you temporarily took the signal codebase closed source It never was closed source. They simply implemented a feature before

by rOOb85 5y ago

> Sry Moxie, you lost my trust when you temporarily took the signal codebase closed source It never was closed source. They simply implemented a feature before uploading the code. Is there a rule to how how many commits need to be made in a time period? No. > to integrate some cryptocurrency scams into it. You clearly haven't read enough about why they chose to implement a payment system and why they chose to create their own. There are very good reasons they did both. Don't be salty because they didn't use the one you hold. > why would I choose a messenger that requires a phone number over another that does not ? Unless something has changed recently, telegram absolutely required my phone number. Signal is also working on replacing phone numbers with usernames. > Mainly because the app is more stable and doesn't dictate its philosophy to the user. Proper e2e encryption has tradeoffs. Why shouldn't the user decide for which conversations he is willing to place convenience over security ? One can't claim to be a secure encrypted chat app but then not enable it by default. It's completely fine to not have encryption, but it's not ok to mislead people into believing it's encrypted all the time. > Why do you lose your history when you switch between android and ios ? Mostly because signal doesn't store your messages. There is no central server that has all your info and chat history like telegram does. It makes this harder

bijant 5y ago
>It never was closed source. The server-side code in the public repo was not updated between April 20, 2020 and April 6, 2021. The Signal Servers were updated in the meantime. The code that was running on those servers was not Open-Source. >You clearly haven't read enough about why they chose to implement a payment system and why they chose to create their own. I've read more than I ever wanted to read about this subject and I still find the arguments for why my privacy friendly messaging service would benefit from being co-mingled with a(soon to be heavily regulated) financial platform entirely unconvincing. Moreover setting aside the goals: the way they went about it, in total secrecy, does not engender trust. >Unless something has changed recently, telegram absolutely required my phone number. Signal is also working on replacing phone numbers with usernames. Signal has "been working" on this issue for an awfully long time. A Plethora of Matrix Clients have had this Feature from day 1. >One can't claim to be a secure encrypted chat app but then not enable it by default. enabling it (by default) and forcing the user to use this as the only option are completely distinct. >There is no central server that has all your info and chat history like telegram does. You seem to consider this to be a feature. To me the absence of an (optional) central server is a bug.
- rfd4sgmk8u 5y ago
  It is the the most important feature in an encrypted messaging client, that the provider cannot see the cleartext of your message content. Any vendor that claims their product to be 'encrypted', plays this up in marketing and lets its users believe they are communicating confidentially, yet captures 99% of their communications -- it is not a bug, it is malicious.
johnisgood 5y ago
> Why do you lose your history when you switch between android and ios ? >> Mostly because signal doesn't store your messages. There is no central server that has all your info and chat history like telegram does. It makes this harder This can be solved by sharing keys between your two devices, or approving your device from another. Element does this. You do not lose history. In any case, this is a solved problem.

by rOOb85 5y ago

bijant 5y ago

>It never was closed source. The server-side code in the public repo was not updated between April 20, 2020 and April 6, 2021. The Signal Servers were updated in the meantime. The code that was running on those servers was not Open-Source. >You clearly haven't read enough about why they chose to implement a payment system and why they chose to create their own. I've read more than I ever wanted to read about this subject and I still find the arguments for why my privacy friendly messaging service would benefit from being co-mingled with a(soon to be heavily regulated) financial platform entirely unconvincing. Moreover setting aside the goals: the way they went about it, in total secrecy, does not engender trust. >Unless something has changed recently, telegram absolutely required my phone number. Signal is also working on replacing phone numbers with usernames. Signal has "been working" on this issue for an awfully long time. A Plethora of Matrix Clients have had this Feature from day 1. >One can't claim to be a secure encrypted chat app but then not enable it by default. enabling it (by default) and forcing the user to use this as the only option are completely distinct. >There is no central server that has all your info and chat history like telegram does. You seem to consider this to be a feature. To me the absence of an (optional) central server is a bug.

rfd4sgmk8u 5y ago
It is the the most important feature in an encrypted messaging client, that the provider cannot see the cleartext of your message content. Any vendor that claims their product to be 'encrypted', plays this up in marketing and lets its users believe they are communicating confidentially, yet captures 99% of their communications -- it is not a bug, it is malicious.

johnisgood 5y ago

> Why do you lose your history when you switch between android and ios ? >> Mostly because signal doesn't store your messages. There is no central server that has all your info and chat history like telegram does. It makes this harder This can be solved by sharing keys between your two devices, or approving your device from another. Element does this. You do not lose history. In any case, this is a solved problem.