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This kind of social graph access was used by cambridge analytica. That's why you will never get this kind of access to user data via apis, even if the user gran

This kind of social graph access was used by cambridge analytica. That's why you will never get this kind of access to user data via apis, even if the user grants it to you. (Users granted access to the app which then sold the data to cambridge analytica). I was at a major social media company on 2016 and overnight these kinds of APIs went from promoting user freedom to radioactive. Don't expect anything from these spineless companies with similarly spineless executives that bow to the woke mob at a slight breeze of discontent.

numair 5y ago
That’s completely incorrect, as this privilege is given out on a “friends of the company” basis. Hence my citation of the Clubhouse example. Moreover, as insiders have indicated, Cambridge Analytica had exactly that sort of privileged relationship with Facebook — normal people couldn’t do what those guys were doing on the FB Platform without raising a lot of eyebrows. I know a ton about that as I was involved in that area about 10 years before you.
- friedman23 5y ago
  > That’s completely incorrect, as this privilege is given out on a “friends of the company” basis Of course the privileged few get to break the rules, that doesn't refute my point. > Moreover, as insiders have indicated, Cambridge Analytica had exactly that sort of privileged relationship with Facebook https://www.businessinsider.com/cambridge-analytica-a-guide-to-the-trump-linked-data-firm-that-harvested-50-million-facebook-profiles-2018-3#what-did-cambridge-analytica-do-1 https://www.businessinsider.com/cambridge-analytica-a-guide-... Maybe they had a privileged relationship with facebook but they got the data from a personality quiz app which requested access to user data (which the users granted). > I know a ton about that as I was involved in that area about 10 years before you. Good for you but don't you think that's beside the point?
  - oneepic 5y ago
    Let me try to help you two agree. > you will [generally not] get this kind of access to user data via apis, even if the user grants it to you. ...with the exception that: > the privileged few get to break the rules OK?
    - bpodgursky 5y ago
      I haven't seen any evidence of granted access to user-controlled private info, from this convo.
jtdev 5y ago
JPKab 5y ago
I used data identical to the Cambridge Analytica stuff in 2014 for a project on behalf of the Florida Democratic party (voter mobilization for midterms). I remember being shocked at the level of detail, and asking the Dem strategist running the project where he got it from. He wouldn't say at first, but eventually he explained about the ecosystem of companies like Cambridge aggregating the graph data. Nobody cared in the media until 2016, when social media was scapegoated to cover for Hillary's gross underperformance. I was pretty annoyed at the breathless faux outrage I witnessed from people who literally were using the same exact data for their own purposes. The spineless CEOs is right. Board members too. Silicon Valley players are desperate to maintain their reputations among the pious peers in their social circles, and also are terrified of the media/activist complex killing their ESG scores and bumping them off of certain millennial/genz targeted "socially responsible" investment products. See Tesla having a lower ESG score than Nike if you want an example of how pissing activists off kills your ESG score.

numair 5y ago

That’s completely incorrect, as this privilege is given out on a “friends of the company” basis. Hence my citation of the Clubhouse example. Moreover, as insiders have indicated, Cambridge Analytica had exactly that sort of privileged relationship with Facebook — normal people couldn’t do what those guys were doing on the FB Platform without raising a lot of eyebrows. I know a ton about that as I was involved in that area about 10 years before you.

friedman23 5y ago
> That’s completely incorrect, as this privilege is given out on a “friends of the company” basis Of course the privileged few get to break the rules, that doesn't refute my point. > Moreover, as insiders have indicated, Cambridge Analytica had exactly that sort of privileged relationship with Facebook https://www.businessinsider.com/cambridge-analytica-a-guide-to-the-trump-linked-data-firm-that-harvested-50-million-facebook-profiles-2018-3#what-did-cambridge-analytica-do-1 https://www.businessinsider.com/cambridge-analytica-a-guide-... Maybe they had a privileged relationship with facebook but they got the data from a personality quiz app which requested access to user data (which the users granted). > I know a ton about that as I was involved in that area about 10 years before you. Good for you but don't you think that's beside the point?
- oneepic 5y ago
  Let me try to help you two agree. > you will [generally not] get this kind of access to user data via apis, even if the user grants it to you. ...with the exception that: > the privileged few get to break the rules OK?
  - bpodgursky 5y ago
    I haven't seen any evidence of granted access to user-controlled private info, from this convo.

jtdev 5y ago

JPKab 5y ago

I used data identical to the Cambridge Analytica stuff in 2014 for a project on behalf of the Florida Democratic party (voter mobilization for midterms). I remember being shocked at the level of detail, and asking the Dem strategist running the project where he got it from. He wouldn't say at first, but eventually he explained about the ecosystem of companies like Cambridge aggregating the graph data. Nobody cared in the media until 2016, when social media was scapegoated to cover for Hillary's gross underperformance. I was pretty annoyed at the breathless faux outrage I witnessed from people who literally were using the same exact data for their own purposes. The spineless CEOs is right. Board members too. Silicon Valley players are desperate to maintain their reputations among the pious peers in their social circles, and also are terrified of the media/activist complex killing their ESG scores and bumping them off of certain millennial/genz targeted "socially responsible" investment products. See Tesla having a lower ESG score than Nike if you want an example of how pissing activists off kills your ESG score.