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Why is it a conspiracy theory? Is it that they wouldn't want to fake the numbers, or is it that they couldn't?

pphysch 5y ago
It's a theory that there's a broad conspiracy to cover up how bad the pandemic hit China. This would require many parties (millions of people inside and out of China) to closely conspire on a singular manufactured narrative and prevent any leaks of the "truth". It's a textbook conspiracy theory.
- jgod 5y ago
  Yeah people never work in secrecy (or in the open) together and lie due to common interests. Especially millions of people. It would be impossible to coordinate them! - Signed, Santa Claus, coming to deliver presents to children worldwide soon.
  - epgui 5y ago
    It’s a cute answer, but the difference is that there is more credible evidence that Santa Claus doesn’t exist than that he does.
- epgui 5y ago
  This is a good example of how the anti-China rhetoric presents with a blind spot for the West (I am a westerner). Rather than learning from what they did right, folks in my country just shrug and say “you can’t trust their stats”. That may be so, and sure, there may have been a large number of specific problems and areas for improvement, but there’s no universe in which China did not display strong overall competency. You can see that even if you take most official figures with a grain of salt.
  - harry8 5y ago
    I rather thought mostly people looked how China achieved whatever success it achieved and said, "Yeah, we don't do that. Don't care how effective it is at one thing the price is too high." Also can their stats be trusted? How would you know? Yes the west is following some very repressive and revolting media policies "Hi Julian!" But still a long way behind the PRC so stuff tends to come out eventually. Hunter Biden's laptop emails were real, not "russian disinformation" and we are now aware of that censorship which troubles us regardless of who we voted for. Most chinese in China have never heard of or seen this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_Man https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_Man Still some 3 decades later. These things are related, similar but their magnitude is (at least at this stage) not remotely comparable.
    - pphysch 5y ago
      What is so significant about "tank man", and how do you know that no one in China has seen it?
      - wewtyflakes 5y ago
        Because of methodical actions like this: https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Entertainment/wireStory/tiananmen-massacre-statue-barricaded-hong-kong-university-81898333 https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Entertainmen... There is deliberate effort by that government to erase that history. Do you think they are not effective in doing so in their own house?
        pphysch 5y ago
        You didn't address what is significant about the tank man. Have you seen the full video?
    - epgui 5y ago
      I am under the impression that despite the censorship, most people within China actually do know about tank man. So I would say {{citation needed}}.
ArnoVW 5y ago
The fact that the Chinese numbers are fake is at this momement only at question for the extremely gullible. Supposedly they have not had a single covid-death since March 2020, and have had 100 new cases this week, with a country that has 1400 million inhabitants. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china/

It's a theory that there's a broad conspiracy to cover up how bad the pandemic hit China. This would require many parties (millions of people inside and out of China) to closely conspire on a singular manufactured narrative and prevent any leaks of the "truth". It's a textbook conspiracy theory.

jgod 5y ago
Yeah people never work in secrecy (or in the open) together and lie due to common interests. Especially millions of people. It would be impossible to coordinate them! - Signed, Santa Claus, coming to deliver presents to children worldwide soon.
- epgui 5y ago
  It’s a cute answer, but the difference is that there is more credible evidence that Santa Claus doesn’t exist than that he does.
epgui 5y ago
This is a good example of how the anti-China rhetoric presents with a blind spot for the West (I am a westerner). Rather than learning from what they did right, folks in my country just shrug and say “you can’t trust their stats”. That may be so, and sure, there may have been a large number of specific problems and areas for improvement, but there’s no universe in which China did not display strong overall competency. You can see that even if you take most official figures with a grain of salt.
- harry8 5y ago
  I rather thought mostly people looked how China achieved whatever success it achieved and said, "Yeah, we don't do that. Don't care how effective it is at one thing the price is too high." Also can their stats be trusted? How would you know? Yes the west is following some very repressive and revolting media policies "Hi Julian!" But still a long way behind the PRC so stuff tends to come out eventually. Hunter Biden's laptop emails were real, not "russian disinformation" and we are now aware of that censorship which troubles us regardless of who we voted for. Most chinese in China have never heard of or seen this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_Man https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_Man Still some 3 decades later. These things are related, similar but their magnitude is (at least at this stage) not remotely comparable.
  - pphysch 5y ago
    What is so significant about "tank man", and how do you know that no one in China has seen it?
    - wewtyflakes 5y ago
      Because of methodical actions like this: https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Entertainment/wireStory/tiananmen-massacre-statue-barricaded-hong-kong-university-81898333 https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Entertainmen... There is deliberate effort by that government to erase that history. Do you think they are not effective in doing so in their own house?
      - pphysch 5y ago
        You didn't address what is significant about the tank man. Have you seen the full video?
  - epgui 5y ago
    I am under the impression that despite the censorship, most people within China actually do know about tank man. So I would say {{citation needed}}.

ArnoVW 5y ago

The fact that the Chinese numbers are fake is at this momement only at question for the extremely gullible. Supposedly they have not had a single covid-death since March 2020, and have had 100 new cases this week, with a country that has 1400 million inhabitants. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china/