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Rare things happen, rarely. It's a big world. Also that "may" in the headline is a logical hole that you can drive a truck through -- being PCR positive prior t

by timr 5y ago

Rare things happen, rarely. It's a big world. Also that "may" in the headline is a logical hole that you can drive a truck through -- being PCR positive prior to death is by no means dispositive evidence that the virus is what killed the person. Pretty much everyone setting foot in a hospital today is tested for Covid, whether they went there for cancer, a heart attack, or the infection itself. WaPo and "if it bleeds, it leads" coverage like this will give you a completely distorted view of reality. Stop feeding the beast.

tambourine_man 5y ago
Let’s hope so. Checkout this comment in 2-3 weeks to see how well it fares.
- timr 5y ago
  This is not reddit. I have no doubt that in 2-3 weeks there will be numerous people who have died of Omicron. Given sufficient time, I'm sure there will be examples of people who die from the virus after reinfection. As I said: it's a big world, and people die of incredibly innocuous things, every day.
  - tambourine_man 5y ago
    This is not Reddit, as you said. You’re claiming it will be innocuous with nothing to support it. The little data we do have shows it’s much more transmissible, with partial vaccine scape and probably just as deadly. We have every reason to be worried.
    - timr 5y ago
      The very first comment I posted -- the one to which you're replying now -- is a link to a paper showing that cellular immunity to Omicron is likely quite robust after exposure to a prior strain. There is now ample evidence that vaccines provide robust protection as well: https://twitter.com/miamalan/status/1470712673629261837 https://twitter.com/miamalan/status/1470712673629261837 You will be fine. Please stop panicking. And turn off the news.
      - tambourine_man 5y ago
        jacquesm 5y ago
        > will I find similar baseless dismissive content? I don't think you'll be very surprised by what you find. There are a number of accounts on HN that have been systematically downplaying the pandemic since the beginning, ranging from wishful thinking to simply not knowing a whole lot about viruses and RNA viruses in particular. The 'usual suspects' promote their preferred solutions, ranging from untested medication to just pretending the problem doesn't exist. It's a bit frustrating that this forum, which prides itself on being so smart harbors some of the worst elements of the conspiracy fueled story lines that are being pushed for way more than they are worth. With 830,000 Americans verified dead from this virus (and probably a lot more than that once you look at excess deaths for that same period) and on average 1250 new ones added every day, besides the long term effects for the ones that survive a heavy case you'd think that by now even the most hardy of these people would have realized that their mantras are getting a bit long in the tooth. We have a serious problem, it could easily get much worse and we've squandered our options for cheap and fast solutions. The problem is a global one and as humanity we have a piss poor record of dealing with global problems (except for the Ozone layer issue, but I wonder if we would have been able to deal with that in the political climate that we have today). This isn't over yet and the only way we are going to solve it is by collectively admitting that yes, we do have a problem and that no amount of wishful thinking or quackery is going to get us out of it.
        tambourine_man 5y ago
        dang 5y ago
        There has to be room for debate and that means room for people who are saying wrong things (or that you or someone else considers wrong). In any complex situation, there will inevitably be a wide spectrum of views. I don't think it's a good idea to lump that spectrum into a binary (which is what phrases like "usual suspects" seem to me to be doing).

by timr 5y ago

tambourine_man 5y ago

Let’s hope so. Checkout this comment in 2-3 weeks to see how well it fares.

timr 5y ago
This is not reddit. I have no doubt that in 2-3 weeks there will be numerous people who have died of Omicron. Given sufficient time, I'm sure there will be examples of people who die from the virus after reinfection. As I said: it's a big world, and people die of incredibly innocuous things, every day.
- tambourine_man 5y ago
  This is not Reddit, as you said. You’re claiming it will be innocuous with nothing to support it. The little data we do have shows it’s much more transmissible, with partial vaccine scape and probably just as deadly. We have every reason to be worried.
  - timr 5y ago
    The very first comment I posted -- the one to which you're replying now -- is a link to a paper showing that cellular immunity to Omicron is likely quite robust after exposure to a prior strain. There is now ample evidence that vaccines provide robust protection as well: https://twitter.com/miamalan/status/1470712673629261837 https://twitter.com/miamalan/status/1470712673629261837 You will be fine. Please stop panicking. And turn off the news.
    - tambourine_man 5y ago
      - jacquesm 5y ago
        > will I find similar baseless dismissive content? I don't think you'll be very surprised by what you find. There are a number of accounts on HN that have been systematically downplaying the pandemic since the beginning, ranging from wishful thinking to simply not knowing a whole lot about viruses and RNA viruses in particular. The 'usual suspects' promote their preferred solutions, ranging from untested medication to just pretending the problem doesn't exist. It's a bit frustrating that this forum, which prides itself on being so smart harbors some of the worst elements of the conspiracy fueled story lines that are being pushed for way more than they are worth. With 830,000 Americans verified dead from this virus (and probably a lot more than that once you look at excess deaths for that same period) and on average 1250 new ones added every day, besides the long term effects for the ones that survive a heavy case you'd think that by now even the most hardy of these people would have realized that their mantras are getting a bit long in the tooth. We have a serious problem, it could easily get much worse and we've squandered our options for cheap and fast solutions. The problem is a global one and as humanity we have a piss poor record of dealing with global problems (except for the Ozone layer issue, but I wonder if we would have been able to deal with that in the political climate that we have today). This isn't over yet and the only way we are going to solve it is by collectively admitting that yes, we do have a problem and that no amount of wishful thinking or quackery is going to get us out of it.
        tambourine_man 5y ago
        dang 5y ago
        There has to be room for debate and that means room for people who are saying wrong things (or that you or someone else considers wrong). In any complex situation, there will inevitably be a wide spectrum of views. I don't think it's a good idea to lump that spectrum into a binary (which is what phrases like "usual suspects" seem to me to be doing).