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So you are blaming Zoom security issues coverage on Microsoft without any proof and the comment asking for evidence is flagged. What's going on HN ?

by polote 5y ago

bitcharmer 5y ago
This is a plausible scenario, definitely worth considering especially given Microsoft's track record.
- rndgermandude 5y ago
  Possible scenario, yes. Plausible? Maybe. But there was no evidence presented, so I can see why somebody would ask for some. Why that comment asking for some got flagged is beyond me. Another plausible explanation, at least in my humble opinion, but one without evidence either: Everybody and their kids (for school) were using some kind of video conferencing software for the first time in this kind of professional/educational setting and Zoom led the pack, which led to more interest by white hat researchers (and probably blackhats) as well as journalists. This newfound scrutiny lead to some first stories, and then people kept digging, because "Man exposes himself in virtual class room"[0] or "Does China spy on your business" or "New security problem uncovered. Is your kid safe in the virtual class room?" kind of stories generate a lot of impressions, and zoom had a lot of problems to uncover. Maybe it took some time to uncover the various problems, leading to a continuous stream of stories, maybe some outlets delayed publishing some stories, so they could milk a story at a time before coming out with the next one. Maybe Microsoft tried to capitalize on it, but that doesn't mean they were driving the news. [0] https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-55998557 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-55998557
oefrha 5y ago
> the comment asking for evidence is flagged The comment came from a banned account whose comments are dead by default and need to be vouched. Discussing that is as off-topic as discussing voting, and not surprisingly it’s just noise now.
politelemon 5y ago
> What's going on HN ? HN is an anti-MS echo chamber, so comments like this become popular quickly. It's been this way for a few years now.
- vanviegen 5y ago
  HN is generally also critical of Alphabet, Meta and Amazon. And rightly so. We should be pointing out ethical issues, urging companies to improve. Especially the large and powerful ones. It's just Apple that somehow seems to gets a pass on some occasions.
  - ziddoap 5y ago
    Accusing MS of a coordinated PR smear campaign against Zoom, with zero evidence other then "it feels like it", is a far cry away from pointing out ethical issues.
    - vanviegen 5y ago
      I agree. But that doesn't make all of HN an 'anti-MS echo chamber'.
    - addicted 5y ago
      It’s like 1 comment with a whole bunch refuting it. Which is probably why it’s so high up, because the HN algorithm probably can’t distinguish between replies agreeing with or disagreeing with a parent comment.

So you are blaming Zoom security issues coverage on Microsoft without any proof and the comment asking for evidence is flagged. What's going on HN ?

by polote 5y ago

So you are blaming Zoom security issues coverage on Microsoft without any proof and the comment asking for evidence is flagged. What's going on HN ?

bitcharmer 5y ago

This is a plausible scenario, definitely worth considering especially given Microsoft's track record.

rndgermandude 5y ago
Possible scenario, yes. Plausible? Maybe. But there was no evidence presented, so I can see why somebody would ask for some. Why that comment asking for some got flagged is beyond me. Another plausible explanation, at least in my humble opinion, but one without evidence either: Everybody and their kids (for school) were using some kind of video conferencing software for the first time in this kind of professional/educational setting and Zoom led the pack, which led to more interest by white hat researchers (and probably blackhats) as well as journalists. This newfound scrutiny lead to some first stories, and then people kept digging, because "Man exposes himself in virtual class room"[0] or "Does China spy on your business" or "New security problem uncovered. Is your kid safe in the virtual class room?" kind of stories generate a lot of impressions, and zoom had a lot of problems to uncover. Maybe it took some time to uncover the various problems, leading to a continuous stream of stories, maybe some outlets delayed publishing some stories, so they could milk a story at a time before coming out with the next one. Maybe Microsoft tried to capitalize on it, but that doesn't mean they were driving the news. [0] https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-55998557 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-55998557

oefrha 5y ago

> the comment asking for evidence is flagged The comment came from a banned account whose comments are dead by default and need to be vouched. Discussing that is as off-topic as discussing voting, and not surprisingly it’s just noise now.

politelemon 5y ago

> What's going on HN ? HN is an anti-MS echo chamber, so comments like this become popular quickly. It's been this way for a few years now.

vanviegen 5y ago
HN is generally also critical of Alphabet, Meta and Amazon. And rightly so. We should be pointing out ethical issues, urging companies to improve. Especially the large and powerful ones. It's just Apple that somehow seems to gets a pass on some occasions.
- ziddoap 5y ago
  Accusing MS of a coordinated PR smear campaign against Zoom, with zero evidence other then "it feels like it", is a far cry away from pointing out ethical issues.
  - vanviegen 5y ago
    I agree. But that doesn't make all of HN an 'anti-MS echo chamber'.
  - addicted 5y ago
    It’s like 1 comment with a whole bunch refuting it. Which is probably why it’s so high up, because the HN algorithm probably can’t distinguish between replies agreeing with or disagreeing with a parent comment.