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Any more details available on why the vaccines are risky? If FDA is saying this, it really makes you wonder.

Vecr 5y ago
Offit's not the FDA, he's on the advisory committee that was ignored (the same one as in the article). The mRNA vaccines cause heart inflammation in some cases that is probably more risk than COVID-19 in a young healthy person already fully vaccinated with two doses. The FDA and CDC might disagree about that, but not calling VRBPAC and the ACIP back to look at data you might have to back that up looks quite suspicious. He goes on a bit of a rant about being ignored (twice apparently? Not sure the exact details.) at 25:20.
- nojokes 5y ago
  I am not sure from where he is getting this vaccines produce more hearth issues than COVID-19. Pfizer vaccines for sure do not and Moderna vaccine is not approved in US for 16-17 year olds. Sound like a complete anti-vax nutjob to me regardless that he claims to be not one (how surprising).
  - Vecr 5y ago
    Are you saying Offit is the nutjob, or the author of the article? Because I don't think Offit is, see [0]. As for the author, I don't know. To be clear, Offit is talking about the third dose, not the first two, he thinks you should get those. See, if the first two doses pretty much get rid of the risk of severe disease, why would you risk myocarditis from a third dose? See [1] for his reasoning, but if you don't trust Epoch, you can watch the TWiV episode above, where there's no edits or time pressure, and he can respond to all comments by the hosts. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Offit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Offit [1]: https://archive.md/zw3il#selection-1375.0-1379.115 https://archive.md/zw3il#selection-1375.0-1379.115
    - nojokes 5y ago
      Sorry, the author. Offit does not claim that vaccine is causing more hearth issues than COVID-19 but the author is.
- raxxorrax 5y ago
  There was an autopsy of someone that got vaccinated and they found the spike protein in every organ. So if the immune system attacks them at one point, inflammation can always be the result. It doesn't have to be the case, but there certainly is a risk. Given the low risk to young people (at least the data pretty clearly states this), I think it is irresponsible to get them vaccinated. Older people should get 15 boosters, maybe even for the rest of their lives or until better protections are available.

Vecr 5y ago

Offit's not the FDA, he's on the advisory committee that was ignored (the same one as in the article). The mRNA vaccines cause heart inflammation in some cases that is probably more risk than COVID-19 in a young healthy person already fully vaccinated with two doses. The FDA and CDC might disagree about that, but not calling VRBPAC and the ACIP back to look at data you might have to back that up looks quite suspicious. He goes on a bit of a rant about being ignored (twice apparently? Not sure the exact details.) at 25:20.

nojokes 5y ago
I am not sure from where he is getting this vaccines produce more hearth issues than COVID-19. Pfizer vaccines for sure do not and Moderna vaccine is not approved in US for 16-17 year olds. Sound like a complete anti-vax nutjob to me regardless that he claims to be not one (how surprising).
- Vecr 5y ago
  Are you saying Offit is the nutjob, or the author of the article? Because I don't think Offit is, see [0]. As for the author, I don't know. To be clear, Offit is talking about the third dose, not the first two, he thinks you should get those. See, if the first two doses pretty much get rid of the risk of severe disease, why would you risk myocarditis from a third dose? See [1] for his reasoning, but if you don't trust Epoch, you can watch the TWiV episode above, where there's no edits or time pressure, and he can respond to all comments by the hosts. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Offit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Offit [1]: https://archive.md/zw3il#selection-1375.0-1379.115 https://archive.md/zw3il#selection-1375.0-1379.115
  - nojokes 5y ago
    Sorry, the author. Offit does not claim that vaccine is causing more hearth issues than COVID-19 but the author is.
raxxorrax 5y ago
There was an autopsy of someone that got vaccinated and they found the spike protein in every organ. So if the immune system attacks them at one point, inflammation can always be the result. It doesn't have to be the case, but there certainly is a risk. Given the low risk to young people (at least the data pretty clearly states this), I think it is irresponsible to get them vaccinated. Older people should get 15 boosters, maybe even for the rest of their lives or until better protections are available.