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I don’t believe it was the money that really mattered, but the commitment to provide Office for Mac made a big difference.

superdug 5y ago
Wasn't there some language in the deal about Internet Explorer as well as Office?
- mattl 5y ago
  Yes but Apple shipped both IE and Netscape.
- MBCook 5y ago
  Yes. As part of the deal Apple was required to include Internet Explorer on Macs (for some amount of time). IE 5 and 5.5 on the Mac were actually very good browsers. But Apple was not prohibited from including other browsers as well. For example, years later, Safari.
GDC7 5y ago
In any event it was state intervention. When that happens the victory/defeat of a company becomes political , not technical or due to financial or business acumen. The worst thing is that the majority of the American population would have not found themselves competing against Bill Gates for anything, except those in DC who had him as their #1 enemy in order to win their size measuring contest. Matter of fact the small individual consumer and small businesses were getting away robbing Microsoft blind as they didn't do anything to stop piracy. Microsoft would just treat it as free marketing or just pass those losses onto big paying customers such as the Fortune 500 companies, thus compensating for piracy losses at the base of the pyramid. After DOJ intervention nowadays we have Apple shipping a 1700$ phone which is completely closed off and out of the box is impossible to charge while listening to music at the same time. Irony if you think about how passionate Jobs was about music
- teakettle42 5y ago
  > After DOJ intervention nowadays we have Apple shipping a 1700$ phone which is completely closed off and out of the box is impossible to charge while listening to music at the same time. Even the base model iPhone SE ($399) has an external speaker, bluetooth, and airplay, all of which are capable of playing music while charging at the same time. What a strange complaint to make, and it’s even stranger to tie it to your even stranger take on the DOJ and Microsoft.
  - GDC7 5y ago
    > What a strange complaint to make, and it’s even stranger to tie it to your even stranger take on the DOJ and Microsoft. Had the DOJ not attacked Microsoft we'd have a better, more open phone which would also come out of the box with the ability to play music while charging. iPhones made in 2012 were only barely better than Pocket PCs made in 2005
    - AnimalMuppet 5y ago
      Had the DOJ not attacked Microsoft, we would have had a more open future? That's... let's just call that a minority opinion, unsupported by the available evidence.
      - GDC7 5y ago
        Evidence is Pocket PC Evidence is also how the iPhone struggle to communicate with Windows PCs and everything which isn't Apple. Evidence is also the fact that out of the box you cannot charge your 1700$ phone while listening to music at the same time.
        teakettle42 5y ago
        > Evidence is also the fact that out of the box you cannot charge your 1700$ phone while listening to music at the same time. That you continue to repeat this, despite it being clearly disproven above, is telling.

superdug 5y ago

Wasn't there some language in the deal about Internet Explorer as well as Office?

mattl 5y ago
Yes but Apple shipped both IE and Netscape.
MBCook 5y ago
Yes. As part of the deal Apple was required to include Internet Explorer on Macs (for some amount of time). IE 5 and 5.5 on the Mac were actually very good browsers. But Apple was not prohibited from including other browsers as well. For example, years later, Safari.

GDC7 5y ago

In any event it was state intervention. When that happens the victory/defeat of a company becomes political , not technical or due to financial or business acumen. The worst thing is that the majority of the American population would have not found themselves competing against Bill Gates for anything, except those in DC who had him as their #1 enemy in order to win their size measuring contest. Matter of fact the small individual consumer and small businesses were getting away robbing Microsoft blind as they didn't do anything to stop piracy. Microsoft would just treat it as free marketing or just pass those losses onto big paying customers such as the Fortune 500 companies, thus compensating for piracy losses at the base of the pyramid. After DOJ intervention nowadays we have Apple shipping a 1700$ phone which is completely closed off and out of the box is impossible to charge while listening to music at the same time. Irony if you think about how passionate Jobs was about music

teakettle42 5y ago
> After DOJ intervention nowadays we have Apple shipping a 1700$ phone which is completely closed off and out of the box is impossible to charge while listening to music at the same time. Even the base model iPhone SE ($399) has an external speaker, bluetooth, and airplay, all of which are capable of playing music while charging at the same time. What a strange complaint to make, and it’s even stranger to tie it to your even stranger take on the DOJ and Microsoft.
- GDC7 5y ago
  > What a strange complaint to make, and it’s even stranger to tie it to your even stranger take on the DOJ and Microsoft. Had the DOJ not attacked Microsoft we'd have a better, more open phone which would also come out of the box with the ability to play music while charging. iPhones made in 2012 were only barely better than Pocket PCs made in 2005
  - AnimalMuppet 5y ago
    Had the DOJ not attacked Microsoft, we would have had a more open future? That's... let's just call that a minority opinion, unsupported by the available evidence.
    - GDC7 5y ago
      Evidence is Pocket PC Evidence is also how the iPhone struggle to communicate with Windows PCs and everything which isn't Apple. Evidence is also the fact that out of the box you cannot charge your 1700$ phone while listening to music at the same time.
      - teakettle42 5y ago
        > Evidence is also the fact that out of the box you cannot charge your 1700$ phone while listening to music at the same time. That you continue to repeat this, despite it being clearly disproven above, is telling.