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The main question is not the death or even hospitalization, but rather if you get long covid.

zapataband1 5y ago
Yeah most people are not talking about the long term effects of having your body fight covid... oh well, rich people can't get richer if we slow down the economy.
- lghh 5y ago
  Actually, if we "slow down the economy" it would likely adversely affect the lower income bracket blue collar workers and other wage earners who have to be at work in person, but no longer can. I suspect most HN-goers (on average very well off) can just work from home.
- droidist2 5y ago
  We slowed down the economy in 2020 and the rich only got richer faster.
- icelancer 5y ago
  Amazon isn't hurting because of shutting down businesses. Small business owners are dying in droves. Slowing down the economy just means centralizing purchases to large corporations.
giarc 5y ago
Agree, as a young, healthy person with access to top level care (Canada) I'm not really worried about death or long hospitalization, I'm worried about long COVID. I've heard many stories of people losing taste/smell for a long time and when it does come back their senses are all messed up and what used to taste great now tastes terrible. Also stories of people that were active prior and can no longer do any exercise. I have a coworker who is a bit older, but has been off work for a few months with long COVID symptoms. That's all my real concern.
- swader999 5y ago
  The FLCCC protocol for long covid has had a lot of good results. I fixed my three and a half month bout in the spring with it. One dose of ivermectin and I felt better in a few hours and cured all the symptoms in five days with four more doses. The only remaining symptom of chest inflammation resolved with prednisone.
  - jacquesm 5y ago
    It could easily be that you had an undiagnosed case of worms. That was the outcome of a bit of research about those cases where Ivermectin seemed to have a positive effect on curing COVID-19.
    - swader999 5y ago
      No. Too many non worm symptoms that were exactly like covid symptoms.
      - dragonwriter 5y ago
        My understanding was that a hypotheiss of why ivermectin seems more likely to be effective at treating COVID in studies conducted in places with lots of parasitic infections is that some of those undiagnosed parasitic infections exacerbate COVID symptoms. So, having symptoms associated with COVID and not particular to parasitic infection wouldn't rule out that hypothesis, but instead be consistent with it.
        swader999 5y ago
        Interesting. I've heard there's a few side effects when clearing parasites, more nausea for instance. Brain fog, shortness of breath, heart palpitations, extreme high blood pressure, clotting issues, extreme fatigue, chest congestion, sore throat, sense of smell was haywire. All this got better than I had felt in the three months of suffering within a few hours of the first dose. Then better after each additional daily dose. After five days I felt well again. Only had chest/lung inflammation left to deal with. Prednisone fixed that. I don't live in an area where parasites and worms are at all common.
divbzero 5y ago
Yes, among symptomatic cases we really need statistics of not only hospitalized vs. not hospitalized but also severe vs. mild.
aeternum 5y ago
Long Covid is hard to accurately track. Most of the studies rely on self-reported symptoms, very hard to apply scientific rigor.
desine 5y ago
Is "long covid" anything other than post-viral fatigue syndrome? I still haven't seen anything to imply it's different than any other virus, in that regard. Not that I want it, but giving it a new name just seems like more fear stoking.
- swader999 5y ago
  For me the symptoms were brain fog, weird sense of smell, headache, heart issues, high blood pressure, shortness of breath, cough, fatigue, fatigue after light exertion.
- arpa 5y ago
  Well, it does mess with angiotensin receptors, which are all over, controlling the blood flow pretty much everywhere. That's why there's loss of smell, "covid toes", and multiple organs affected in high viral load cases, especially those with high blood flow... Brain is one of these organs, and neurological damage has been documented. Covid? nein, danke. Vaccines, yes, please.
- CTDOCodebases 5y ago
  Yeah there’s a whole bunch of things. As someone who enjoys eating and drinking coffee parosmia would have to be the worst. https://healthcare.utah.edu/healthfeed/postings/2021/09/parosmia.php https://healthcare.utah.edu/healthfeed/postings/2021/09/paro...
- manmal 5y ago
  There are researchers who believe long covid is related to blood platelet microclotting, inducing hypoxia in tissues. Remains to be seen whether this holds up.

Yeah most people are not talking about the long term effects of having your body fight covid... oh well, rich people can't get richer if we slow down the economy.

lghh 5y ago
Actually, if we "slow down the economy" it would likely adversely affect the lower income bracket blue collar workers and other wage earners who have to be at work in person, but no longer can. I suspect most HN-goers (on average very well off) can just work from home.
droidist2 5y ago
We slowed down the economy in 2020 and the rich only got richer faster.
icelancer 5y ago
Amazon isn't hurting because of shutting down businesses. Small business owners are dying in droves. Slowing down the economy just means centralizing purchases to large corporations.

giarc 5y ago

Agree, as a young, healthy person with access to top level care (Canada) I'm not really worried about death or long hospitalization, I'm worried about long COVID. I've heard many stories of people losing taste/smell for a long time and when it does come back their senses are all messed up and what used to taste great now tastes terrible. Also stories of people that were active prior and can no longer do any exercise. I have a coworker who is a bit older, but has been off work for a few months with long COVID symptoms. That's all my real concern.

swader999 5y ago
The FLCCC protocol for long covid has had a lot of good results. I fixed my three and a half month bout in the spring with it. One dose of ivermectin and I felt better in a few hours and cured all the symptoms in five days with four more doses. The only remaining symptom of chest inflammation resolved with prednisone.
- jacquesm 5y ago
  It could easily be that you had an undiagnosed case of worms. That was the outcome of a bit of research about those cases where Ivermectin seemed to have a positive effect on curing COVID-19.
  - swader999 5y ago
    No. Too many non worm symptoms that were exactly like covid symptoms.
    - dragonwriter 5y ago
      My understanding was that a hypotheiss of why ivermectin seems more likely to be effective at treating COVID in studies conducted in places with lots of parasitic infections is that some of those undiagnosed parasitic infections exacerbate COVID symptoms. So, having symptoms associated with COVID and not particular to parasitic infection wouldn't rule out that hypothesis, but instead be consistent with it.
      - swader999 5y ago
        Interesting. I've heard there's a few side effects when clearing parasites, more nausea for instance. Brain fog, shortness of breath, heart palpitations, extreme high blood pressure, clotting issues, extreme fatigue, chest congestion, sore throat, sense of smell was haywire. All this got better than I had felt in the three months of suffering within a few hours of the first dose. Then better after each additional daily dose. After five days I felt well again. Only had chest/lung inflammation left to deal with. Prednisone fixed that. I don't live in an area where parasites and worms are at all common.

divbzero 5y ago

Yes, among symptomatic cases we really need statistics of not only hospitalized vs. not hospitalized but also severe vs. mild.

aeternum 5y ago

Long Covid is hard to accurately track. Most of the studies rely on self-reported symptoms, very hard to apply scientific rigor.

desine 5y ago

Is "long covid" anything other than post-viral fatigue syndrome? I still haven't seen anything to imply it's different than any other virus, in that regard. Not that I want it, but giving it a new name just seems like more fear stoking.

swader999 5y ago
For me the symptoms were brain fog, weird sense of smell, headache, heart issues, high blood pressure, shortness of breath, cough, fatigue, fatigue after light exertion.
arpa 5y ago
Well, it does mess with angiotensin receptors, which are all over, controlling the blood flow pretty much everywhere. That's why there's loss of smell, "covid toes", and multiple organs affected in high viral load cases, especially those with high blood flow... Brain is one of these organs, and neurological damage has been documented. Covid? nein, danke. Vaccines, yes, please.
CTDOCodebases 5y ago
Yeah there’s a whole bunch of things. As someone who enjoys eating and drinking coffee parosmia would have to be the worst. https://healthcare.utah.edu/healthfeed/postings/2021/09/parosmia.php https://healthcare.utah.edu/healthfeed/postings/2021/09/paro...
manmal 5y ago
There are researchers who believe long covid is related to blood platelet microclotting, inducing hypoxia in tissues. Remains to be seen whether this holds up.