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When I said armed, it's pretty clear by context that I was referring to firearms. And fair enough, the Wikipedia page appears to be out of date, as it does look

When I said armed, it's pretty clear by context that I was referring to firearms. And fair enough, the Wikipedia page appears to be out of date, as it does look like Alberts and Ibrahim were charged with having firearms on Capitol grounds. Although Ibrahim was a DEA agent who was charged for LARPing and doing a photoshoot of himself in front of the Capitol with his DEA badge and gun, so that's going to be an entertaining one for the government to explain. Still, your characterization of this as an "armed group" is also false, as a couple individual idiots bringing firearms to a riot is obviously entirely different than an organized squad "storming" the Capitol. One shot was fired during the entire event, and one person was killed, and that was a rioter, not a cop or a politician. I don't have much sympathy for that crowd of idiots, but it is concerning how this event has been exaggerated into 9/11 2.0, providing an excellent excuse to crack down on civil liberties just as the justification of Islamic terrorism has receded.

dragonwriter 5y ago
> When I said armed, it's pretty clear by context that I was referring to firearms. Yes, but that’s not what “armed” normally means, or what it was used upthread to mean, and a counterargument where you redefine terms to mean something else... isn't a counterargument, but closer to an admission. > Alberts and Ibrahim were charged with having firearms on Capitol grounds. Alberts was immediately charged with having a firearm on the grounds; the recent change is the charge of disorderly conduct in a Capitol building. > Although Ibrahim was a DEA agent who was charged for LARPing and doing a photoshoot of himself in front of the Capitol with his DEA badge and gun He was not charged with LARPing; nothing in the charges indicates he was not a serious participant. > so that's going to be an entertaining one for the government to explain. I don't see what’s entertaining about it, or how its any different than the handful of active duty service members charged. Yes, the government holds people accountable even when they work for the government. > Still, your characterization of this as an "armed group" is also false It wasn't my characterization, but it's also not false. It was a group, and they brought, forcibly stole, and used a wide variety of weapons.. > couple individual idiots bringing firearms to a riot is obviously entirely different than an organized squad "storming" the Capitol. Among the very large groups storming the Capitol were several organized squads (the overall size of the group was much more than squad size, somewhere in the brigade-division-corps range.)
raxxorrax 5y ago
> Although Ibrahim was a DEA agent who was charged for LARPing and doing a photoshoot of himself in front of the Capitol That behavior does sound like substance abuse.

dragonwriter 5y ago

> When I said armed, it's pretty clear by context that I was referring to firearms. Yes, but that’s not what “armed” normally means, or what it was used upthread to mean, and a counterargument where you redefine terms to mean something else... isn't a counterargument, but closer to an admission. > Alberts and Ibrahim were charged with having firearms on Capitol grounds. Alberts was immediately charged with having a firearm on the grounds; the recent change is the charge of disorderly conduct in a Capitol building. > Although Ibrahim was a DEA agent who was charged for LARPing and doing a photoshoot of himself in front of the Capitol with his DEA badge and gun He was not charged with LARPing; nothing in the charges indicates he was not a serious participant. > so that's going to be an entertaining one for the government to explain. I don't see what’s entertaining about it, or how its any different than the handful of active duty service members charged. Yes, the government holds people accountable even when they work for the government. > Still, your characterization of this as an "armed group" is also false It wasn't my characterization, but it's also not false. It was a group, and they brought, forcibly stole, and used a wide variety of weapons.. > couple individual idiots bringing firearms to a riot is obviously entirely different than an organized squad "storming" the Capitol. Among the very large groups storming the Capitol were several organized squads (the overall size of the group was much more than squad size, somewhere in the brigade-division-corps range.)

raxxorrax 5y ago

> Although Ibrahim was a DEA agent who was charged for LARPing and doing a photoshoot of himself in front of the Capitol That behavior does sound like substance abuse.