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I think people are struggling to reconcile "spend $100k on a presentation setup" and "can't afford $200 output card".

downWidOutaFite 5y ago
While other people are struggling with "it's fine when Apple forces us to jump through a bunch of undocumented hacks and workarounds to keep doing what we bought the machine for"
- labcomputer 5y ago
  And still others are struggling with, "How do you not understand that Apple is trying to balance the trade-offs between 'allow an app to do anything' and 'protect users from malicious software'?" I think they could do a better job (e.g., a simple setting in System Preferences that turns off recording notifications), but to pretend that they're doing this for no reason at all or that the orange dot is a show-stopper for a significant fraction of their user-base is just not making an argument in good faith.
  - Dylan16807 5y ago
    > to pretend that they're doing this for no reason at all or that the orange dot is a show-stopper for a significant fraction of their user-base is just not making an argument in good faith. Is anyone doing that...?
    - labcomputer 5y ago
      > Is anyone doing that...? Well, look at the other person who replied to my comment: "Every time this happens a small minority that is affected screams "this is interfering with my workflow" and the majority says "get over it"." That's not technically untrue, but it fails to acknowledge that there is a tradeoff here. Again, I think Apple could be doing a better job of managing the tradeoffs, but this is not simply the majority saying "get over it". This is the majority saying "it sucks that this change interrupted your workflow, but look at the bigger picture"
      - Dylan16807 5y ago
        I don't think a failure to explicitly note that apple had a reason in every comment is at all the same as pretending there was no reason. Same for explicitly noting that there is at least some reason to "get over it".
  - newaccount74 5y ago
    The problem is that Apple has been crippling macOS at the fringes for years in the name of "security". It's getting safer and safer if all you want to do is watch Netflix and check your emails, but it's getting harder and harder to get your work done. Every time this happens a small minority that is affected screams "this is interfering with my workflow" and the majority says "get over it". As Apple keeps doing this, eventually they are going to break something you rely on.
tetha 5y ago
But is that actually different from trying to get any budget for e.g. IT security software, redundancy, backups or any kind of nonfunctional investment in an IT network - especially in smaller shops? Putting up my ignorant penny-pincher hat, I cannot see a difference between a hardware output card and an HDMI cable in a laptop, at least until apple put an orange dot there. So let's rather buy more flyers. I'm very much not surprised at saving the wrong pennies.

While other people are struggling with "it's fine when Apple forces us to jump through a bunch of undocumented hacks and workarounds to keep doing what we bought the machine for"

labcomputer 5y ago
And still others are struggling with, "How do you not understand that Apple is trying to balance the trade-offs between 'allow an app to do anything' and 'protect users from malicious software'?" I think they could do a better job (e.g., a simple setting in System Preferences that turns off recording notifications), but to pretend that they're doing this for no reason at all or that the orange dot is a show-stopper for a significant fraction of their user-base is just not making an argument in good faith.
- Dylan16807 5y ago
  > to pretend that they're doing this for no reason at all or that the orange dot is a show-stopper for a significant fraction of their user-base is just not making an argument in good faith. Is anyone doing that...?
  - labcomputer 5y ago
    > Is anyone doing that...? Well, look at the other person who replied to my comment: "Every time this happens a small minority that is affected screams "this is interfering with my workflow" and the majority says "get over it"." That's not technically untrue, but it fails to acknowledge that there is a tradeoff here. Again, I think Apple could be doing a better job of managing the tradeoffs, but this is not simply the majority saying "get over it". This is the majority saying "it sucks that this change interrupted your workflow, but look at the bigger picture"
    - Dylan16807 5y ago
      I don't think a failure to explicitly note that apple had a reason in every comment is at all the same as pretending there was no reason. Same for explicitly noting that there is at least some reason to "get over it".
- newaccount74 5y ago
  The problem is that Apple has been crippling macOS at the fringes for years in the name of "security". It's getting safer and safer if all you want to do is watch Netflix and check your emails, but it's getting harder and harder to get your work done. Every time this happens a small minority that is affected screams "this is interfering with my workflow" and the majority says "get over it". As Apple keeps doing this, eventually they are going to break something you rely on.

tetha 5y ago

But is that actually different from trying to get any budget for e.g. IT security software, redundancy, backups or any kind of nonfunctional investment in an IT network - especially in smaller shops? Putting up my ignorant penny-pincher hat, I cannot see a difference between a hardware output card and an HDMI cable in a laptop, at least until apple put an orange dot there. So let's rather buy more flyers. I'm very much not surprised at saving the wrong pennies.