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As someone that has used Elementary on my x200s for a number of years, at least since the 4.x days, I was disappointed to find the lack of support for the 11th

As someone that has used Elementary on my x200s for a number of years, at least since the 4.x days, I was disappointed to find the lack of support for the 11th gen/Iris Xe combo in my new laptop and was pushed back to traditional Ubuntu 21.04 with wayland. I may give it a shot again. I especially liked the ability to customize the key combos so that it acted reasonably close to a tiling Wm (I had moved to it from awesomeWM) which was very handy on an Thinkpad x200s with only a track point and no touchpad, but with the added perks of a fully baked DE. And that was in addition to the very nice aesthetics, rather than in spite of.

bobuk 5y ago
Honestly, the whole support of Iris Xe in modern linux is terrible painful. You have to carefully pick right kernel number and always use "disable Panel Self Refresh". And after that you have to stick to this exact kernel because "don't touch it while it works" even for Ubuntu now.
- pxc 5y ago
  Intel gets credit for their drivers being open-source but IME their drivers are also plain bad. WiFi drivers disconnect you to scan, graphics drivers seem very poorly tested so depending on what acceleration profile you use, you get weird artifacts and other stability problems... I strongly prefer Atheros for WiFi and AMD for graphics, wherever possible.
Naac 5y ago
If you want a tiling WM backed by a full DE ( with sleep, volume buttons, media buttons, working automagically ) you should try Regolith[0] [0] https://regolith-linux.org/ https://regolith-linux.org/
- folkrav 5y ago
  After rotating i3, bspwm and qtile for a while - never managing to make it "just work" as expected on every single machine I own - I gave up and went with Pop OS. Their Pop Shell extension is basically what I wanted all along - tiling without giving up the DE.
  - Naac 5y ago
    I would recommend you give Regolith a try. I was also looking for a "just works" tiling window manager solution and Regolith gives you the best of gnome, and i3.
- beepbooptheory 5y ago
  I just want something like this but with Arch.
  - caslon 5y ago
    Why not take the ten minutes to set it up yourself? It's pretty trivial to get everything Naac described working.
    - beepbooptheory 5y ago
      Yes I mean that is my current set up, I am not that fast though! But it would just be nice to have the full DE backing behind i3 as a distribution. Yes I know you can do everything here with list of tools, but I just want a configuration that I know has been thought out, with best practices, and easy to modify in a reproducible way. The list of dotfiles and little adjustments alone you need to marry i3 with a power manager, menu bar, network manager, is a lot! I just want the work done for me (a DE).
      - csdvrx 5y ago
        But why i3 if you can do that with the existing window manager and shortcuts? It seems to me you are introducing complexity for complexity sake, with nothing to be gained - except maybe nerd credential points for using i3?
        beepbooptheory 5y ago
        Yes, you are right... I guess just need the tiling shortcuts and the AUR. and I guess I want gnome-control-center, and that can be that.
        csdvrx 5y ago
        I may not be fancy, but it will get you where you want to be faster, easier, and in a more maintainable way.
  - 5y ago
- csdvrx 5y ago
  As shown in Windows 10 and now 11, tiling can be achieved easily by: - having windows automatically start at "empty" coordinates if available, - having sufficient shortcuts to position them on specific square coordinates. Since I have a wide screen, I have configured win-[, win-] and win-\ to go to the left third, middle third, right third. On a thinkpad, I complement that by having win-left to the left half (50%), win-right go to the right half (50%), win-pgup toggle half size top and win-pgdown toggle half-size bottom. Then I can assemble the windows very precisely with just the keyboard (full screen, half screen, quarter screen, one-third of a screen, one-sixth of a screen) both on the laptop display and the external wide screen, while keeping the full convenience of normal titlebars and mouse operations to reposition windows by hand if needed. Add to that some custom scripting to make win-left and win-right move between physical screen, and you get a tiling solution that do not require any specific window manager. Of course, space taken by the title bars might be a problem, but with Mica and the like (more generally, titlebar moving from "full of wasted empty spaces to "where tabs are shown", like Edge now does), I think tiling WM are quickly becoming a thing of the past.
- ghostly_s 5y ago
  Or if you want a truly full-featured desktop, try KDE + the Bismuth KWin extension. ;)
  - deleted 5y ago
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  - smallerfish 5y ago
    Oh nice! I'd been living with krohnkite's bugs - glad somebody picked it up. Would be good to get it out of the PPA and into official ubuntu repos.
forlorn 5y ago
Unfortunately Elementary's devs are too busy finding the right shades for the dark theme so there is no time left for your marginal features. These problems and bugs are not tackled for years.
- seph-reed 5y ago
  Good looking design is something people tend take for granted until it's gone. If I'm going to be staring at something for many hours every day, those details really do matter to me. I tend to be able to fix everything else on my own.
  - simion314 5y ago
    >If I'm going to be staring at something for many hours every day, Most people would stare at an IDE and browser many hours and not at the DE control's panel or File Manager, and IMO this core apps should have had the UI fixed years ago and not have stuff still changed at each updated.
    - seph-reed 5y ago
      I'm just arguing because I feel like talking to someone. But perhaps it's okay for this one distro to have an obsession with visual design? Maybe your anger should be at the distros that do all the things you want but are too ugly to use?
      - simion314 5y ago
        My DE, browser and IDE are themable and configurable so I set them up with whatever I think is usable >Maybe your anger should What wording in my comment can be interpreted as anger ? I did not intended that so I would like to understand and express myself better next time.
      - renzo88 5y ago
        > But perhaps it's okay for this one distro to have an obsession with visual design? The linux desktop is a house on fire, and elementaryos is standing in the living room holding up paint to a smoldering wall.
pxc 5y ago
I've tried Elementary a few times, but the hardware support has never been good enough for me to install it because the base is always ancient as all hell for some reason.

bobuk 5y ago

Honestly, the whole support of Iris Xe in modern linux is terrible painful. You have to carefully pick right kernel number and always use "disable Panel Self Refresh". And after that you have to stick to this exact kernel because "don't touch it while it works" even for Ubuntu now.

pxc 5y ago
Intel gets credit for their drivers being open-source but IME their drivers are also plain bad. WiFi drivers disconnect you to scan, graphics drivers seem very poorly tested so depending on what acceleration profile you use, you get weird artifacts and other stability problems... I strongly prefer Atheros for WiFi and AMD for graphics, wherever possible.

Naac 5y ago

If you want a tiling WM backed by a full DE ( with sleep, volume buttons, media buttons, working automagically ) you should try Regolith[0] [0] https://regolith-linux.org/ https://regolith-linux.org/

folkrav 5y ago
After rotating i3, bspwm and qtile for a while - never managing to make it "just work" as expected on every single machine I own - I gave up and went with Pop OS. Their Pop Shell extension is basically what I wanted all along - tiling without giving up the DE.
- Naac 5y ago
  I would recommend you give Regolith a try. I was also looking for a "just works" tiling window manager solution and Regolith gives you the best of gnome, and i3.
beepbooptheory 5y ago
I just want something like this but with Arch.
- caslon 5y ago
  Why not take the ten minutes to set it up yourself? It's pretty trivial to get everything Naac described working.
  - beepbooptheory 5y ago
    Yes I mean that is my current set up, I am not that fast though! But it would just be nice to have the full DE backing behind i3 as a distribution. Yes I know you can do everything here with list of tools, but I just want a configuration that I know has been thought out, with best practices, and easy to modify in a reproducible way. The list of dotfiles and little adjustments alone you need to marry i3 with a power manager, menu bar, network manager, is a lot! I just want the work done for me (a DE).
    - csdvrx 5y ago
      But why i3 if you can do that with the existing window manager and shortcuts? It seems to me you are introducing complexity for complexity sake, with nothing to be gained - except maybe nerd credential points for using i3?
      - beepbooptheory 5y ago
        Yes, you are right... I guess just need the tiling shortcuts and the AUR. and I guess I want gnome-control-center, and that can be that.
        csdvrx 5y ago
        I may not be fancy, but it will get you where you want to be faster, easier, and in a more maintainable way.
- 5y ago
csdvrx 5y ago
As shown in Windows 10 and now 11, tiling can be achieved easily by: - having windows automatically start at "empty" coordinates if available, - having sufficient shortcuts to position them on specific square coordinates. Since I have a wide screen, I have configured win-[, win-] and win-\ to go to the left third, middle third, right third. On a thinkpad, I complement that by having win-left to the left half (50%), win-right go to the right half (50%), win-pgup toggle half size top and win-pgdown toggle half-size bottom. Then I can assemble the windows very precisely with just the keyboard (full screen, half screen, quarter screen, one-third of a screen, one-sixth of a screen) both on the laptop display and the external wide screen, while keeping the full convenience of normal titlebars and mouse operations to reposition windows by hand if needed. Add to that some custom scripting to make win-left and win-right move between physical screen, and you get a tiling solution that do not require any specific window manager. Of course, space taken by the title bars might be a problem, but with Mica and the like (more generally, titlebar moving from "full of wasted empty spaces to "where tabs are shown", like Edge now does), I think tiling WM are quickly becoming a thing of the past.
ghostly_s 5y ago
Or if you want a truly full-featured desktop, try KDE + the Bismuth KWin extension. ;)
- deleted 5y ago
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- smallerfish 5y ago
  Oh nice! I'd been living with krohnkite's bugs - glad somebody picked it up. Would be good to get it out of the PPA and into official ubuntu repos.

forlorn 5y ago

Unfortunately Elementary's devs are too busy finding the right shades for the dark theme so there is no time left for your marginal features. These problems and bugs are not tackled for years.

seph-reed 5y ago
Good looking design is something people tend take for granted until it's gone. If I'm going to be staring at something for many hours every day, those details really do matter to me. I tend to be able to fix everything else on my own.
- simion314 5y ago
  >If I'm going to be staring at something for many hours every day, Most people would stare at an IDE and browser many hours and not at the DE control's panel or File Manager, and IMO this core apps should have had the UI fixed years ago and not have stuff still changed at each updated.
  - seph-reed 5y ago
    I'm just arguing because I feel like talking to someone. But perhaps it's okay for this one distro to have an obsession with visual design? Maybe your anger should be at the distros that do all the things you want but are too ugly to use?
    - simion314 5y ago
      My DE, browser and IDE are themable and configurable so I set them up with whatever I think is usable >Maybe your anger should What wording in my comment can be interpreted as anger ? I did not intended that so I would like to understand and express myself better next time.
    - renzo88 5y ago
      > But perhaps it's okay for this one distro to have an obsession with visual design? The linux desktop is a house on fire, and elementaryos is standing in the living room holding up paint to a smoldering wall.

pxc 5y ago

I've tried Elementary a few times, but the hardware support has never been good enough for me to install it because the base is always ancient as all hell for some reason.