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Ontario provides a breakdown of the data. If you go to the the third graph, click on the cases, you will see a worrying trend. The vaccinated cases are growing

Ontario provides a breakdown of the data. If you go to the the third graph, click on the cases, you will see a worrying trend. The vaccinated cases are growing exponentially. 2997 vaccinated cases vs 905 unvaccinated cases in the last week. https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data?fbclid=IwAR2pRUq9GN9EEoDTm0OetspYalQy0Otcc41JS6b-L9BnzLOdhl1eZ1L4FHg https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data?fbclid=IwAR2pRUq9GN9EEoDTm0...

senectus1 5y ago
jeez those stats are not as great a result as what I was hoping for. thanks for the link
- dukeofdoom 5y ago
  In ontario the unvaccinated as a group have to do rapid antigen testing 2 or 3 times per week testing to keep their jobs. So much more likely to report a positive. The "doctors" on 4chan think it's ADE in the vaccinated.
  - senectus1 5y ago
    ADE?
    - nradov 5y ago
      Antibody dependent enhancement. There are some infectious diseases for which the antibodies created by vaccination actually make it more likely for patients to get infected by the actual virus. There is no reliable evidence of this happening with COVID-19. https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/antibody-dependent-enhancement-in-vaccines https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/antibody-dependent-enhance...
nawgz 5y ago
But these are case numbers and not hospitalization numbers… which is the parent’s point, Ontario ICU numbers are stable since nov 20 even with all this omicron news and increased case count
- dukeofdoom 5y ago
  We don't know yet if the exponential growth in cases will translate to ICU cases. The Ontario government is worried enough to put in capacity limits and lockdown measures. This will be a big test of the vaccine's ability to prevent ICU cases.
- iso1210 5y ago
  At the start, hospitalisations tracked cases by about 2 weeks and ICU another week later. In the UK this is still the case through October, but cases were fairly flat (there were a couple of brief "waves" which peaked in cases about 2 weeks before hospitalisations). About 1 in 40 cases resulted in hospitalisation. Everyone who wanted a vaccine had had both well in advance of those figures. In the last week daily cases have increased 50%. If this remains with the 1 in 40 case:hospitalisation ratio, then between Christmas and New Year we'll be looking at 2,000 new hospitalisations a day. This time last year the ratio was 1 in 13 case->hospitalisations, so clearly things are far better. However if cases are doubling every 4-5 days - with cases 4 days ago being abeing about 100k/day, in a few days time this will be 250k/day, and by christmas 700k a day. Before New Year it will naturally plataeu at 1.5m a day (because that's 1 in 6 of the population getting it in a week, and there just aren't enough uninfected people for it to go around.) That seems to be the strategy the country is going for. It's too late to stop it reaching 160k/day, which would be 4k hospitalisations a day - the peak of last year - based on October's admittance rates, and there's very little sign of attempts stop it going further, meaning we could be looking at 8k attempted hospitalisations come new year. The main hope is that Omicron, combined with boosters (which already have a >80% uptake in over 60s) will reduce that 1:40 ratio
  - nawgz 5y ago
    Yes, I understand ICU beds are a lagging indicator, but search "Ontario Covid Cases" and observe the exponential graph in case count without any movement in ICU count to understand that I already claim the 1:40 ratio is reduced Further, have you seen the latest theory about the mechanism of Omicron? It grows faster in your bronchus/windpipe[0], and slower in your alveoli, so while the cytokine storm (immune response) side of the disease is still concerning, the risk of pneumonia is greatly reduced. I will not comment on cytokine storm vs pneumonia frequency in terms of long COVID or case severity as I am ignorant in this regard, but I can imagine people need the breathers less if they aren't dying of pneumonia, and I somewhat understood this to be a major issue for ICU capacity. This also explains the increased infectiousness to me, as your bronchus would emit comparatively larger viral loads with each breath than the alveoli if we still believe the droplet and not airborne theory. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/15/omicron-found-to-grow-70-times-faster-than-delta-in-bronchial-tissue https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/15/omicron-found-...
refurb 5y ago
I’m not sure why this is too surprising. Singapore has one of the highest vaccination rates and still tests aggressively. 80%+ of new cases were in fully vaccinated back in August.
ceesharp 5y ago
Who would have thought that there are more vaccinated cases with 76% of the people being fully vaccinated. :)

senectus1 5y ago

jeez those stats are not as great a result as what I was hoping for. thanks for the link

dukeofdoom 5y ago
In ontario the unvaccinated as a group have to do rapid antigen testing 2 or 3 times per week testing to keep their jobs. So much more likely to report a positive. The "doctors" on 4chan think it's ADE in the vaccinated.
- senectus1 5y ago
  ADE?
  - nradov 5y ago
    Antibody dependent enhancement. There are some infectious diseases for which the antibodies created by vaccination actually make it more likely for patients to get infected by the actual virus. There is no reliable evidence of this happening with COVID-19. https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/antibody-dependent-enhancement-in-vaccines https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/antibody-dependent-enhance...

nawgz 5y ago

But these are case numbers and not hospitalization numbers… which is the parent’s point, Ontario ICU numbers are stable since nov 20 even with all this omicron news and increased case count

dukeofdoom 5y ago
We don't know yet if the exponential growth in cases will translate to ICU cases. The Ontario government is worried enough to put in capacity limits and lockdown measures. This will be a big test of the vaccine's ability to prevent ICU cases.
iso1210 5y ago
At the start, hospitalisations tracked cases by about 2 weeks and ICU another week later. In the UK this is still the case through October, but cases were fairly flat (there were a couple of brief "waves" which peaked in cases about 2 weeks before hospitalisations). About 1 in 40 cases resulted in hospitalisation. Everyone who wanted a vaccine had had both well in advance of those figures. In the last week daily cases have increased 50%. If this remains with the 1 in 40 case:hospitalisation ratio, then between Christmas and New Year we'll be looking at 2,000 new hospitalisations a day. This time last year the ratio was 1 in 13 case->hospitalisations, so clearly things are far better. However if cases are doubling every 4-5 days - with cases 4 days ago being abeing about 100k/day, in a few days time this will be 250k/day, and by christmas 700k a day. Before New Year it will naturally plataeu at 1.5m a day (because that's 1 in 6 of the population getting it in a week, and there just aren't enough uninfected people for it to go around.) That seems to be the strategy the country is going for. It's too late to stop it reaching 160k/day, which would be 4k hospitalisations a day - the peak of last year - based on October's admittance rates, and there's very little sign of attempts stop it going further, meaning we could be looking at 8k attempted hospitalisations come new year. The main hope is that Omicron, combined with boosters (which already have a >80% uptake in over 60s) will reduce that 1:40 ratio
- nawgz 5y ago
  Yes, I understand ICU beds are a lagging indicator, but search "Ontario Covid Cases" and observe the exponential graph in case count without any movement in ICU count to understand that I already claim the 1:40 ratio is reduced Further, have you seen the latest theory about the mechanism of Omicron? It grows faster in your bronchus/windpipe[0], and slower in your alveoli, so while the cytokine storm (immune response) side of the disease is still concerning, the risk of pneumonia is greatly reduced. I will not comment on cytokine storm vs pneumonia frequency in terms of long COVID or case severity as I am ignorant in this regard, but I can imagine people need the breathers less if they aren't dying of pneumonia, and I somewhat understood this to be a major issue for ICU capacity. This also explains the increased infectiousness to me, as your bronchus would emit comparatively larger viral loads with each breath than the alveoli if we still believe the droplet and not airborne theory. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/15/omicron-found-to-grow-70-times-faster-than-delta-in-bronchial-tissue https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/15/omicron-found-...

refurb 5y ago

I’m not sure why this is too surprising. Singapore has one of the highest vaccination rates and still tests aggressively. 80%+ of new cases were in fully vaccinated back in August.

ceesharp 5y ago

Who would have thought that there are more vaccinated cases with 76% of the people being fully vaccinated. :)