3 ms·

That sounds low. Where did you get your numbers?

by kadoban 5y ago

jmarbach 5y ago
- zackbloom 5y ago
  There is very good data on this. Infection rates are roughly 5x higher, and death rates 13x higher, among the unvaccinated.
  - ZephyrBlu 5y ago
    Infection rate is orthogonal to preventing people from being infected. If you're not exposed, you can never be infected. It also depends how you define efficacy/effectiveness. Does it mean for each exposure, over a period of time, etc.
    - mlyle 5y ago
      > Infection rate is orthogonal to preventing people from being infected. If you're not exposed, you can never be infected. Sure, there are confounds: people who choose to be vaccinated don't behave exactly the same way that people who don't choose to be vaccinated do. Therefore, the observational data is somewhat confounded. Two directions for the confound: people who are vaccinated may choose to take more risk after vaccination. People who are vaccinated may be those who take COVID seriously to begin with and be biased to take less risk in general. Probably the latter "wins", though I certainly do a lot more than I would do if I wasn't vaccinated. However, IMO this is all moot: we have vaccines that showed massive efficacy in randomized, controlled trials (over a period of time), and case control studies that show ongoing high efficacy against Delta... and the confounded observational data shows a truly massive effect.
- MatthewMob 5y ago
  So you are lying then. What do you gain out of misleading people with your rhetoric here?
  - dang 5y ago
    Please do not cross into personal attack. It only makes things worse. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
- kadoban 5y ago
  Making up numbers isn't a very good way to be convincing. Is that meteorologist bit supposed to be a reference to the Weather Underground?
- lottin 5y ago
  Let me get this straight. First, you say the vaccine has been proven to be less than 10% effective. Now you're admitting that you've made it up, while at the same time insisting it's true. Astonishing.

That sounds low. Where did you get your numbers?

jmarbach 5y ago

zackbloom 5y ago
There is very good data on this. Infection rates are roughly 5x higher, and death rates 13x higher, among the unvaccinated.
- ZephyrBlu 5y ago
  Infection rate is orthogonal to preventing people from being infected. If you're not exposed, you can never be infected. It also depends how you define efficacy/effectiveness. Does it mean for each exposure, over a period of time, etc.
  - mlyle 5y ago
    > Infection rate is orthogonal to preventing people from being infected. If you're not exposed, you can never be infected. Sure, there are confounds: people who choose to be vaccinated don't behave exactly the same way that people who don't choose to be vaccinated do. Therefore, the observational data is somewhat confounded. Two directions for the confound: people who are vaccinated may choose to take more risk after vaccination. People who are vaccinated may be those who take COVID seriously to begin with and be biased to take less risk in general. Probably the latter "wins", though I certainly do a lot more than I would do if I wasn't vaccinated. However, IMO this is all moot: we have vaccines that showed massive efficacy in randomized, controlled trials (over a period of time), and case control studies that show ongoing high efficacy against Delta... and the confounded observational data shows a truly massive effect.
MatthewMob 5y ago
So you are lying then. What do you gain out of misleading people with your rhetoric here?
- dang 5y ago
  Please do not cross into personal attack. It only makes things worse. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
kadoban 5y ago
Making up numbers isn't a very good way to be convincing. Is that meteorologist bit supposed to be a reference to the Weather Underground?
lottin 5y ago
Let me get this straight. First, you say the vaccine has been proven to be less than 10% effective. Now you're admitting that you've made it up, while at the same time insisting it's true. Astonishing.