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Cautiously hopeful that this does indeed work and that it does work for all variants... .. and that it also would not cost a fortune in 3rd world where we real

Cautiously hopeful that this does indeed work and that it does work for all variants... .. and that it also would not cost a fortune in 3rd world where we really need easily accessible and storable countermeasures against the bugger.

jimmyearlcarter 5y ago
xienze 5y ago
- desine 5y ago
  - bhaak 5y ago
    I'm not sure the taxpayers will pay for that if you are unvaccinated. This pill is for "high-risk patients who took the antiviral within three days of symptom onset". The vaccination even seems to be a bit more effective than this pill?
    - johnisgood 5y ago
      But I am not vaccinated for health reasons. When are we going to start differentiating? Were I not a freelancer, I would have lost my job because I am not vaccinated, for health reasons. It is a pretty shitty thing to do to people.
      - chki 5y ago
        I'm sorry if this is inappropriate but what health reasons prevent you from getting vaccinated?
        ceejayoz 5y ago
        Msw242 5y ago
        There are allergies to vaccines (not to the dose, but to everything else that is in the concoction that enables it to work). Also, immunocompromised people often can't take vaccines. Usually you can get a doctor's note explaining this, and you can participate in daily life normally (like going to school or college, which rightfully require vaccinations). I don't know if policy around the COVID vaccine is different... But I'd be surprised if it were?
        CydeWeys 5y ago
        > Also, immunocompromised people often can't take vaccines. Nope. Immunocompromised people need extra doses of the vaccine, and even then it doesn't work as well. This is one of those false talking points that antivaxxers love to spread.
        Msw242 5y ago
        With over 300mm Americans, there is no one treatment plan for the entire country. Not every physician is recommending every single one of their patients get this or any other vaccine. There are public policy implications for serving those people.
        mlyle 5y ago
        It's just conflating/confused: * Immunocompromised people have poor efficacy with the vaccine even with boosters, like my dad who has SLL. * Other people who have autoimmune and inflammatory conditions are often immunocompromised (because of taking low dose chemotherapy, etc, to manage their conditions). Also, recommending a vaccine for these people is complicated, because vaccines can kick up immune and inflammatory responses and make their conditions worse. Most are still better off with the vaccine but I can understand both providers and patients being hesitant.
        5y ago
      - solarkraft 5y ago
        There's always an exception for people who can't be vaccinated. They're a big reason everyone else needs to be vaccinated, after all.
        dnautics 5y ago
        IIRC Vaccination seems to do a poor job of preventing person-to-person transmission of delta (and likely, even less, omicron). If you are currently getting vaccinated, you should be doing it for selfish reasons, and you should not count on it to protect, say, a vulnerable or unvaccinated person you live with.
        Msw242 5y ago
        It's not perfect, but the vaccinated people shed way less virus, and are contagious for a much shorter window of time. Also, it makes you less likely to take a bed in the ICU, preserving that bed for grandma's stroke
        mlyle 5y ago
        > It's not perfect, but the vaccinated people shed way less virus, and are contagious for a much shorter window of time. And are significantly less likely to get infected in the first place. My dad has SLL, which some of the worst breakthrough cases have been in. He's vaccinated (with likely poor efficacy). His children and grandchildren are vaccinated. We're careful with our overall level of exposure and wear a mask around him even in situations where this seems paranoid. Us being vaccinated is one of the many layers (and one of the most effective, pre-Omicron) in protecting my dad.
        refurb 5y ago
        The Lancet data suggests the effect is pretty small in terms of transmission. And the fact that countries like Singapore with 95%+ of eligible vaccinated, strict distancing measures still had a ton of cases demonstrates that in the real world.
      - sudosysgen 5y ago
        At least where I live, if you cannot get vaccinated for health reasons you will be considered as if you were vaccinated.
        johnisgood 5y ago
        That sounds good. Someone commented that my employer is supposed to consider the contraindication and whatnot, but it really is not the case, at least not as far as the law goes. My employer could consider it, but does not have to. I am going to the dentist and I need a negative PCR test every 48h, and it is expensive. :/
      - Klinky 5y ago
        There is already a differentiation. Your employer would still need to accommodate your vaccine allergy/contradiction, so long as there is medical documentation backing your claim. You would then go into weekly testing protocol if you needed to be onsite[1]. If you're 100% remote you could even get out of doing the weekly testing[2]. 1. https://www.osha.gov/coronavirus/ets2/faqs#accordion-81470-collapse1 https://www.osha.gov/coronavirus/ets2/faqs#accordion-81470-c... 2. https://www.osha.gov/coronavirus/ets2/faqs#accordion-81493-collapse1 https://www.osha.gov/coronavirus/ets2/faqs#accordion-81493-c...
    - mlyle 5y ago
      > I'm not sure the taxpayers will pay for that if you are unvaccinated. Just about no matter what it costs, it's cheaper than you dying in an ICU.
  - viro 5y ago
    > for our democracy spreading. Don't go trying blame them for our actions. Assuming ur from the US or EU.
- discordance 5y ago
  This didn’t work so well with the vaccine in developing countries

jimmyearlcarter 5y ago

xienze 5y ago

desine 5y ago
- bhaak 5y ago
  I'm not sure the taxpayers will pay for that if you are unvaccinated. This pill is for "high-risk patients who took the antiviral within three days of symptom onset". The vaccination even seems to be a bit more effective than this pill?
  - johnisgood 5y ago
    But I am not vaccinated for health reasons. When are we going to start differentiating? Were I not a freelancer, I would have lost my job because I am not vaccinated, for health reasons. It is a pretty shitty thing to do to people.
    - chki 5y ago
      I'm sorry if this is inappropriate but what health reasons prevent you from getting vaccinated?
      - ceejayoz 5y ago
      - Msw242 5y ago
        There are allergies to vaccines (not to the dose, but to everything else that is in the concoction that enables it to work). Also, immunocompromised people often can't take vaccines. Usually you can get a doctor's note explaining this, and you can participate in daily life normally (like going to school or college, which rightfully require vaccinations). I don't know if policy around the COVID vaccine is different... But I'd be surprised if it were?
        CydeWeys 5y ago
        > Also, immunocompromised people often can't take vaccines. Nope. Immunocompromised people need extra doses of the vaccine, and even then it doesn't work as well. This is one of those false talking points that antivaxxers love to spread.
        Msw242 5y ago
        With over 300mm Americans, there is no one treatment plan for the entire country. Not every physician is recommending every single one of their patients get this or any other vaccine. There are public policy implications for serving those people.
        mlyle 5y ago
        It's just conflating/confused: * Immunocompromised people have poor efficacy with the vaccine even with boosters, like my dad who has SLL. * Other people who have autoimmune and inflammatory conditions are often immunocompromised (because of taking low dose chemotherapy, etc, to manage their conditions). Also, recommending a vaccine for these people is complicated, because vaccines can kick up immune and inflammatory responses and make their conditions worse. Most are still better off with the vaccine but I can understand both providers and patients being hesitant.
        5y ago
    - solarkraft 5y ago
      There's always an exception for people who can't be vaccinated. They're a big reason everyone else needs to be vaccinated, after all.
      - dnautics 5y ago
        IIRC Vaccination seems to do a poor job of preventing person-to-person transmission of delta (and likely, even less, omicron). If you are currently getting vaccinated, you should be doing it for selfish reasons, and you should not count on it to protect, say, a vulnerable or unvaccinated person you live with.
        Msw242 5y ago
        It's not perfect, but the vaccinated people shed way less virus, and are contagious for a much shorter window of time. Also, it makes you less likely to take a bed in the ICU, preserving that bed for grandma's stroke
        mlyle 5y ago
        > It's not perfect, but the vaccinated people shed way less virus, and are contagious for a much shorter window of time. And are significantly less likely to get infected in the first place. My dad has SLL, which some of the worst breakthrough cases have been in. He's vaccinated (with likely poor efficacy). His children and grandchildren are vaccinated. We're careful with our overall level of exposure and wear a mask around him even in situations where this seems paranoid. Us being vaccinated is one of the many layers (and one of the most effective, pre-Omicron) in protecting my dad.
        refurb 5y ago
        The Lancet data suggests the effect is pretty small in terms of transmission. And the fact that countries like Singapore with 95%+ of eligible vaccinated, strict distancing measures still had a ton of cases demonstrates that in the real world.
    - sudosysgen 5y ago
      At least where I live, if you cannot get vaccinated for health reasons you will be considered as if you were vaccinated.
      - johnisgood 5y ago
        That sounds good. Someone commented that my employer is supposed to consider the contraindication and whatnot, but it really is not the case, at least not as far as the law goes. My employer could consider it, but does not have to. I am going to the dentist and I need a negative PCR test every 48h, and it is expensive. :/
    - Klinky 5y ago
      There is already a differentiation. Your employer would still need to accommodate your vaccine allergy/contradiction, so long as there is medical documentation backing your claim. You would then go into weekly testing protocol if you needed to be onsite[1]. If you're 100% remote you could even get out of doing the weekly testing[2]. 1. https://www.osha.gov/coronavirus/ets2/faqs#accordion-81470-collapse1 https://www.osha.gov/coronavirus/ets2/faqs#accordion-81470-c... 2. https://www.osha.gov/coronavirus/ets2/faqs#accordion-81493-collapse1 https://www.osha.gov/coronavirus/ets2/faqs#accordion-81493-c...
  - mlyle 5y ago
    > I'm not sure the taxpayers will pay for that if you are unvaccinated. Just about no matter what it costs, it's cheaper than you dying in an ICU.
- viro 5y ago
  > for our democracy spreading. Don't go trying blame them for our actions. Assuming ur from the US or EU.
discordance 5y ago
This didn’t work so well with the vaccine in developing countries