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Fish sausages: Ugandan CEO taps into demand
- 1cvmask 5y agoProduct market fit, then hustle and then free press = profitable business everywhere in the world.
- bserge 5y agoSpeaking of food, dried corn snacks are practically non existent even though they're great with beer (also dried bread snacks). Not dried unprocessed corn, I'm talking corn flour baked/fried into a chips-like snack, like we do potatoes. Bet you never heard of it. Also, in the UK, they don't have dried fish/octopus snacks in pubs! A fucking island nation! It's the same old peanuts everywhere, come on! Actually, that's most of Europe. Dried fish with beer is quite popular in Asia and even Russia. Quite literally a multimillion dollar market right there. On the ocean food issue: They've been in terminal decline for a while now. The future of seafood is farming. Today, half of the fish for human consumption is already farmed. Shame about the less farmable species.
- mastazi 5y ago> I'm talking corn flour baked/fried into a chips-like snack, Those are quite common, they are called nacho chips or nachos, usually in a triangular shape. > Dried fish with beer is quite popular in Asia and even Russia. Besides beer, many types of fish-based chips are popular in Asia, I remember my daughter snacking on the when we were still living in Thailand. By the way they are not that hard to find in the West (you will have to visit an Asian food store). Another type of chips that are not popular in the West, but absolutely delicious are dried seaweed chips (they are similar to the nori seaweed that wraps sushi, but dried).
- bobthepanda 5y agoDried seaweed is at least not very hard to find in the US. You can even buy it in bulk at Costco. They tick the boxes of a nutritious, non-fried low-calorie snack.
- mastazi 5y agoThat's nice, it is also quite common here in Australia, due to the fact that Asian food is generally easy to find at least in large metropolitan areas.
- Stratoscope 5y ago> > I'm talking corn flour baked/fried into a chips-like snack, > Those are quite common, they are called nacho chips or nachos, usually in a triangular shape. I am curious where you have heard them called that. I've lived for 40 years on the San Francisco Peninsula and South Bay, an area with a large Mexican population and a multitude of Mexican restaurants. Here, and I think in most areas, those roughly-triangular chips are called tortilla chips. You may notice that one edge is rounded. This is because they are made from corn tortillas sliced into sections like a pizza. In a context where it is clear that you mean tortilla chips and not something else like potato chips, they are often just called chips, e.g. chips and salsa or chips and guacamole. There are also chips made from tortillas sliced into thin strips, used as a topping on a salad or soup. These are called tortilla strips. The thicker, smaller chips like Fritos are called corn chips. One difference between corn chips and tortilla chips is that corn chips are made from cornmeal. Tortillas and tortilla chips are made from corn that has been nixtamalized (cooked in an alkaline solution) and then ground into masa. This gives them a milder flavor than corn chips. Nachos are something else entirely. Nachos are a plate of tortilla chips topped with cheese and baked or broiled until the cheese melts. Other ingredients like meat or peppers may be added, and the nachos are often topped with salsa after they come out of the oven. Nacho chips don't exist here. If you were to order "nacho chips" in a Mexican restaurant, they would likely ask "Do you want nachos, or do you want chips?" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nachos https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nachos https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tortilla_chip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tortilla_chip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corn_chip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corn_chip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixtamalization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixtamalization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masa
- mastazi 5y agoI'm not sure where I've heard the term first but I grew up in Italy and lived in Australia for 10 years, neither of the two has a large Mexican minority and so it might be that people are more likely to mix up these terms or use them incorrectly. I did not know the difference between "nachos" and "tortilla chips" and I was under the impression that they were synonyms until I've read your comment, thank you for your detailed explanation! Also I did not know that tortilla chips and corn chips were not the same thing, that process that you described is really interesting, Mexican cuisine in general is very interesting I think
- smabie 5y ago> Not dried unprocessed corn, I'm talking corn flour baked/fried into a chips-like snack, like we do potatoes. Bet you never heard of it. Doritos, fritos, cheetos, nachos, tortilla chips, etc? It's very popular..
- solraph 5y agoYou'd be amazed how insular some people in the developed world can be. I had a house mate who moved from a major UK city to the other side of the world, but in her late twenties had never in her life eaten rice. Rice!
- TulliusCicero 5y ago> Not dried unprocessed corn, I'm talking corn flour baked/fried into a chips-like snack, like we do potatoes. Bet you never heard of it. You've never heard of tortilla chips? Or the brand name Doritos?
- NavinF 5y agoI’m pretty sure he was joking. On the off chance that’s not the case, I’m really curious what country he’s from.
- rjsw 5y ago> Also, in the UK, they don't have dried fish/octopus snacks in pubs! We have Scampi Fries (with no fish in them). Drying fish isn't really a UK thing.
- darth_avocado 5y agoI always worry about our oceans. We farm them as if there is a limitless supply and our actions have no consequences. Frankly African consumption is probably nowhere close to what the west has an appetite for or some of the Asian countries have. Can only wonder about what happens when the consumption goes up in other parts of the world including Africa.
- markdown 5y ago> We farm them as if there is a limitless supply and our actions have no consequences. Farm isn't quite the correct word. All we do is take.
- Reason077 5y agoThis story is about farmed fish (ie: fish raised in man made, fresh water fish ponds/tanks). Not wild fish taken from the sea.
- Reason077 5y agoTo be clear, this story is about farmed fish from inland, fresh-water fish farms. No sea involved. Fish farms can still cause pollution, of course, but if well managed they should be no worse than any other farm.
- ceejayoz 5y agoDepends to some extent what they're feeding the fish. Some farmed fish are fed wild-caught fishmeal and fish oil from smaller fish. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forage_fish#Use_as_animal_feed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forage_fish#Use_as_animal_feed
- ulnarkressty 5y ago...unless the feed comes from their nearby coast -- https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/03/08/fish-farming-is-feeding-the-globe-whats-the-cost-for-locals https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/03/08/fish-farming-i... (google translated from German) -- https://www-spiegel-de.translate.goog/ausland/gambia-chinas-trawler-fischen-afrikas-kuesten-leer-fuer-unseren-lachs-aus-norwegen-a-8e9559d1-13ca-453a-a6e8-51eea97e49ab?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US https://www-spiegel-de.translate.goog/ausland/gambia-chinas-...
- armchairhacker 5y agoHonestly I would love to buy ground haddock or salmon at the supermarket. Especially if they can produce it cheaper than frozen fish. But why haven’t fish sausages etc. been created before? I imagine there are logistic challenges and reasons why ground fish is kind of a dumb idea especially vs. frozen fish. Like i bet ground salmon would go bad much quicker than frozen salmon, and it wouldn’t get a nice texture and cook nice like ground beef or turkey.
- Reason077 5y agoTry a Korean grocer for fish sausages. They seem to be a popular thing there. I've bought some before in London - tasty but quite "processed".
- ed25519FUUU 5y agoI’ve had fish cakes before, especially in Japanese and Chinese soups. Not sure why nobody made the leap to sausage.
- senkora 5y agoThis seems quite similar to fishcake. Maybe the difference is having a casing? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishcake https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishcake
- dv_dt 5y agoYup there are also related fish ball products https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish_ball https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish_ball
- Thlom 5y agoBoth delicious. Fish balls should be heated in a white sauce (based on the “sauce” from the package) and served with potatoes and with a sprinkle of curry on top. Fish cakes are best sautéed in butter and eaten on the go imo, but you can also serve it in a brown sauce and of course with potatoes.
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- ed25519FUUU 5y agoGood for her. Sounds like she nailed a market need and got the timing right. Now you just gotta stay ahead. There’s no patent protection for things like fish sausage so there will be a lot of challengers in the space.
- weare138 5y agoThose sound good. I want to try it.
- pcrh 5y agoFish sausages are the kind of thing you wonder why it never existed before... Although fish sticks, similarly are processed fish meat, have been around for a while.
- rjsw 5y agoFish sticks (fish fingers) are not processed all that much. A crab stick [1] is maybe closer to a sausage in the amount of processing that has been done. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_stick https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_stick
- tduberne 5y agoIn French cuisine fish sausages ("quenelles") exist since a long time, though I expect they might taste quite different from the ones described here.
- rexreed 5y agoThere is a similar initiative to turn invasive fish species such as Snakehead fish into "fish donuts". Solves two problems at once. Probably would work as well as fish sausages: https://designawards.core77.com/speculative-design/108041/Econut https://designawards.core77.com/speculative-design/108041/Ec...
- ChrisMarshallNY 5y agoThat's a cool story. Always good to hear about successes like this. I would find Nile Perch fish sausages good. Nile Perch are pretty awesome fish[0] (but they are an aggressive introduced species). Many American fisher[wo]men have no idea what they're missing. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nile_perch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nile_perch
- wly_cdgr 5y agoAs someone who has tried fish sausages, I just wanna say...anyone who thinks there's a strong demand for fish sausages hasn't tried fish sausages
- AussieWog93 5y ago>fush sausages Is that a Kiwi thing?
- ajkjk 5y agoPerhaps there are different kinds? If they are anything like fish balls, I can imagine they're good in some dishes, although perhaps not appetizing on their own.
- Thlom 5y agoHuh. I have fish balls in white sauce with potatoes on the side all the time. Sprinkled with some curry. One of my favorite dishes. But after thinking about it I think I understand. I would never eat one fish ball on it’s own. That sounds disgusting. On the other hand, a butter sautéed fish cake is delicious. And a fish cake is more or less the same as a fish ball, just a bit different shape.
- joshxyz 5y agoFish balls are great street foods
- Levitz 5y agoI'm sure no matter where you go, there is at least one type of food that wouldn't be eaten by most of the rest of the world.
- dicknuckle 5y agoYep, in the Mid-Atlantic region of the US, we have Scrapple. it's the rest of the pig that doesn't end up as sausage. The tagline reads "Everything but the oink"
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- vittore 5y agoI remember it was a thing back when I was a kid back in soviet union. Fish sausage and fish links. Ah we also had Fish Day - every Thursday.
- hannyaharamita 5y agoFish sausages are sold in Japan, and these are a finely emulsified sausage of fish with pork fat. Run the Japanese Wikipedia page through a translator for more background: https://ja.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%AD%9A%E8%82%89%E3%82%BD%E3%83%BC%E3%82%BB%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B8 https://ja.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%AD%9A%E8%82%89%E3%82%BD%... This is a graph of fish sausage production 1953-2020 https://www.jca-can.or.jp/~sausage/tokei-htm/ https://www.jca-can.or.jp/~sausage/tokei-htm/ in Japanese, left axis is tons. I've translated a 1939 paper on fish sausage and whale ham production methods, comment if interested.
- cardosof 5y agoWhy the decline after 1970?
- exhibitapp 5y agoAs the Japanese economy took off a more western style diet was adopted, with a stronger focus on meat. As well sausages are typically lower quality/cheaper protein so an increase in wealth would correspond with a move away from sausages.
- luckydata 5y agoprobably cause they taste like crap?
- distantaidenn 5y agoI used to eat them all the time -- and yeah they taste pretty bad. I'm the kinda guy that says flavor be damned, if I just need a quick source of protein. They're usually sold in convenience stores quite cheaply as otsumami (booze food). Since I'm now engaged to health-food buff, the last time I reached for one, I was told to look at the ingredients list -- which was a mile long. The commonly sold variety just ain't that healthy.
- Dolios 5y agoNot helpful for overfishing.
- nickphx 5y agoThe article mentioned the fish were farmed.....
- tartoran 5y agoI enjoy eating fish mostly because I get it fresh. Saussages are always my second choice and avoid them as much as I can