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Man to sue parents for giving birth to him

• aaronrobinson 5y ago
  https://m.imdb.com/title/tt8267604/ https://m.imdb.com/title/tt8267604/
• fsflover 5y ago
  > So as we didn't ask to be born, we should be paid for the rest of our lives to live, he argues. So, basic income would solve it.
  • ars 5y ago
    Basic income also means taxing everyone, so you also have to pay to live.
    • extropy 5y ago
      Only if you have other income.
    • deltree7 5y ago
      You don't have to tax everyone for basic income. Thought Experiment: Let's say we eventually have a super robot, which can build other robots which can produce all the goods and services the humanity can consume sustainably. Now, You(Government representing the people) can print money and give it to all of humanity to buy the goods and services from this Super Robot. At the end of the year, this 'super robot' (or the owner of the super robot) will have all the money that is printed. Next year, you can a) Print a fresh set of money and distribute, leading to this super robot accumulating all the money (but really who cares, you can make laws that limit how much non-renewable assets a single person or robot can own) b) Tax this 'super robot' 99.9999% and redistribute it again. Repeat (a) or (b) forever
      • hellisothers 5y ago
        The most far fetched part of this story is a “Govt representing the people” that would tax the robot.
        • deltree7 5y ago
          Facts on ground prove the point. https://taxfoundation.org/top-1-percent-pays-more-taxes-bottom-90-percent/ https://taxfoundation.org/top-1-percent-pays-more-taxes-bott... Don't let your bias or brainwashing go against facts. It is inevitable that the top 1% will be bearing most of our taxes Donald Trump was elected by a populist movement, not by the donor class. Government also printed $10 Trillion in the last two years and gave it away to mostly poor
          • tata71 5y ago
            > Government also printed $10 Trillion in the last two years and gave it away to mostly poor Incorrect. QA/corporate bonds have been out of control, PPE etc loans that will be forgiven en masse after being given to the best and coziest customers of the large banks, etc.
          • hellisothers 5y ago
            I can’t actually figure out the point being made here…
          • mlyle 5y ago
            > It is inevitable that the top 1% will be bearing most of our taxes [posts a graph that shows top 1% bears about 35%, not most, of income taxes, ignoring payroll and other regressive taxes] Compare to https://i.imgur.com/KLmRsY8.png https://i.imgur.com/KLmRsY8.png , which indicates that the top 1% have about 20.9% of income and pay about 24.1% of taxes.
      • DarylZero 5y ago
        Right, or if you don't have an abundance-robot, you could tax other non-human resources, such as oil reserves or land.
• pcwelder 5y ago
  "In the beginning the Universe was created. This had made many people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move."
  • taddevries 5y ago
    Don't forget your towel.
• inuev0 5y ago
  But he beaten all his possible brothers and sisters at the cum race. He fought to be the first, he killed others to born, he choose to born (trollface)
• pvaldes 5y ago
  It seems that somebody wants to pay litigation costs
• dustintrex 5y ago
  (2019)
• Ozzie_osman 5y ago
  There's a Lebanese film with a similar premise: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capernaum_(film) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capernaum_(film)
• throwawayboise 5y ago
  The guy sounds mentally ill.
• redis_mlc 5y ago
  "I must admire my son's temerity to want to take his parents to court knowing both of us are lawyers." Love it! :)
• axegon_ 5y ago
  > Your parents had you instead of a toy or a dog, you owe them nothing, you are their entertainment. As cringy as this may be, it's depressing how many people I can name off the top of my head who had children because they wanted a pet. Subsequently they figured out that having a kid is hard and instead of facing the consequences, they resorted to buying expensive toys in order to keep them quiet and not have to deal with them. Needless to say it didn't end well for the kids.
  • browningstreet 5y ago
    When you have kids instead of a pet, it can lead to having a vacation home instead of a divorce. Seen that too.
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• throwawayay02 5y ago
  Of course this particular instance is just humourous, but I can imagine a real and reasonable case: Imagine a child that was born with birth defects that reduce their life expectancy and quality of life. If they can prove their parents knew of the high likelihood of their condition, and still chose to go ahead and birth them, they might have a case.
  • vestrigi 5y ago
    You can also argue that it would be wrong to deem a life with disabilities not worth living, meaning that a fetus shouldn’t be killed if it is certain that the child will live with birth defects. Abortions are a very difficult topic.
• pddpro 5y ago
  > "There's no point to humanity. So many people are suffering. If humanity is extinct, Earth and animals would be happier. They'll certainly be better off. Also no human will then suffer. Human existence is totally pointless." The path towards Enlightenment is not unlike the five stages of grief. The realization of pain and suffering, the anger towards it, the desire to change it, the depression resulting from realizing our inability to change it, and finally the acceptance of life as it is and the ability to find joy in what we can. Many of us have been through it and survived, coming out a tad bit wiser. Let's hope that he, too, will be able to find at least something that'll make him realize that it's not so bad after all.
  • rhn_mk1 5y ago
    From the article, it doesn't seem that life being bad is the point: "But it's not that I'm unhappy in my life. My life is good, but I'd rather not be here. You know it's like there's a nice room, but I don't want to be in that room"
• hjek 5y ago
  There's a string holding his beard.
  • beermonster 5y ago
    At this time of year it’s in vogue
  • edgedetector 5y ago
    There's a line in the article that mentions that the beard is fake.
• Ansil849 5y ago
  This case just seems to be obvious trolling, but it does bring up interesting ethical questions. Why, for example, is it not OK to kidnap a newborn and raise it as your own, if you give it a much better life than its biological parents would have been able to give it?
  • nyokodo 5y ago
    > if you give it a much better life than its biological parents would have been able to give it? Because you have no right to kidnap someone else’s child. Because the human rights of the parents to raise their child and the rights of the child to be raised by their parents both determine that you shouldn’t. Because you have no authority to determine what is better for the child. Because the ends don’t justify the means. Take your pick.
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    • div72 5y ago
      Every reason you provided besides the last one is void in my opinion. > Because you have no right to kidnap someone else’s child. Humans also have a right to live. Parents with better opportunities(whether through a better lifestyle or through better medicine) will be able to grant a better life expectancy for the child than the biological parents. This means that while there's no defined right to "kidnap" someone's children, the non-existence does infringe on an existing right. > Because the human rights of the parents to raise their child and the rights of the child to be raised by their parents both determine that you shouldn’t. Ditto. > Because you have no authority to determine what is better for the child And who does exactly? The people bringing the child to this world without consent? The government? Hypothetical better parents? Once a child grows up to a sufficient age we assume that the person has gained enough sufficient mental capacity to decide for themselves(which is also debatable but let's leave that for another day). That line gets only more blurry the younger the child is and how do we know who exactly has this "authority" to determine this? Modern family structure gave this authority to the biological parents due to the complexity of the question above but this is still a debatable point in my opinion. I heavily doubt that the status quo will be challenged in the near future. > Because the ends don’t justify the means. I agree with this as taking children of people can cause significant distress for reasons I assume evolution related. And moving whether ends justify the means or not aside, no one has the authority know whether an outcome is the "better" outcome for a child or not so the ends are also blurry.
• frankbreetz 5y ago
  >A demand like this could cause a rift within any family, but Mr Samuel says he gets along very well with his parents (both of whom are lawyers) and they appear to be dealing with it with a lot of humour. Wouldn't there be a lot of court fees associated with this? Seems like an expensive joke.
  • Fezzik 5y ago
    Court fees are generally not-that-high in trial courts. For example, in Oregon you can cover filing fees for multiple pleadings and a multi-day jury trial for less than $2,000. Not sure about India though. Ultimately it’s attorney fees that getcha.
    • sjg007 5y ago
      Yeah but the lawyer is expensive!
• benmmurphy 5y ago
  (2019)
• more_corn 5y ago
  It is an interesting argument. I take exception to the suggestion that the earth and animals would be happier if we were gone. Happiness seems to be a purely human concept. Without humans there would be no happiness. It is true that animals would almost certainly be better off without us. But I’m not sure it’s possible to say that the earth would be. The earth doesn’t care one way or another if life thrives. And concepts like justice are only meaningful in the context of intelligent life so it’s hard to argue that justice requires the elimination of the only known life-form that has a concept of justice.
• ahepp 5y ago
  This article is several years old. I could swear I heard about this happening even before 2019 though, but all I can dig up through web searches is this case. Have there been any updates?
  • heavyset_go 5y ago
    > I could swear I heard about this happening even before 2019 though, but all I can dig up through web searches is this case. To be fair, it's been a long couple of years.
• timoth3y 5y ago
  I really hope this does not come across the wrong way, but here goes. > "I wish I was not born. But it's not that I'm unhappy in my life. My life is good, but I'd rather not be here. You know it's like there's a nice room, but I don't want to be in that room" So leave. Camus famously said "There is but one truly serious philosophical problem, and that is suicide. Judging whether life is or is not worth living amounts to answering the fundamental question of philosophy" Every teenager goes through an angsty "I didn't ask to be born!" phase. Part of become a thinking adult involves fully accepting that you are here, that can leave at any time, but looking inside yourself to fully understand why you don't want to. Camus called this "absurdism" but a lot of people have written about it. > So as we didn't ask to be born, we should be paid for the rest of our lives to live None of us asked to be born. You owe the rest of us just as much as we owe you. How much that is exactly, is left as an exercise for the reader.
  • monopoledance 5y ago
    > So leave. Yeah, that's the point. Once we're here, we generally don't want to die either. In fact, we have to endure the terror of knowing that we have to die at some point. That does mean it's a dick move to create a new existence. > None of us asked to be born. So? You do not justify why his parents don't owe him support for their desire to have a family. "Your suffering is tradition, child. Now, help your old man to the potty." For me the really hairy discussion would be about what's to be said about unwanted pregnancies. But for the narcissistic self-fulfillment fantasy in a modern family, the answer is pretty clear in my opinion.
  • svalorzen 5y ago
    > So leave. This is like being unwillingly thrust on the top antenna of a skyscraper, barely hanging on, and you saying "Don't like it here? Then jump."
• monopoledance 5y ago
  Oh my god. I love when I find wiki articles for something I had on my mind, but couldn't name yet. Here it's anti-natalism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antinatalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antinatalism Hallelujah! Armed with this knowledge, I will lose sooo many friends now!
  • toomuchtodo 5y ago
    Also popular on Reddit: /r/antinatalism /r/childfree
    • monopoledance 5y ago
      Thanks. I was more interested in the philosophical argument. Not having children is wildly popular in gen-Z folks. And I get them. To be honest, I cannot really do the mental gymnastics to see bringing a natal child into this world, at this moment in time, as an act of love. It's actually rather cruel.
      • toomuchtodo 5y ago
        Agreed. I donate to a charity that covers medical expenses of those who elect permanent birth control but have a balance after whatever their insurance picks up. Defaults are important, and kids are expensive. Younger folks need every advantage they can get (in a world drastically different than decades prior), and I don’t see much support in helping them in this regard.
        • monopoledance 5y ago
          There is so much to do, indeed. It's not even money, for women it's really, really hard to get their tubes tied. In Germany, it's hard to find a surgeon who does it for women under 30 and with no prior child... Horror stories with surgeons wanting the approval of the husband, or even boyfriend, can be found in most "developed" nation, as of today. Of course, at the same time men can do it no questions asked. So fucked up. I really can't believe women's bodily autonomy is still a major issue in Europe and North America.
• a9h74j 5y ago
  His parents should respond with an Anti-SLAPP suit. Having children is a form of public participation. -- That would also add a data point for: "All unhappy families are unhappy in their own ways."