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China won't allow airlines to say they fly to Taiwan. Western media frequently defer to PRC rules (the latest one: Top Gun sequel removing the taiwanese flag).

China won't allow airlines to say they fly to Taiwan. Western media frequently defer to PRC rules (the latest one: Top Gun sequel removing the taiwanese flag). John Cena had to publicly apologize because he referred to Taiwan as a country. Chinese vessels regularly violate territorial waters, and there is an ongoing spat with India around their borders. The PRC is bullying the whole planet, and people are letting them do it in name of profit.

whimsicalism 5y ago
> Chinese vessels regularly violate territorial waters, and there is an ongoing spat with India around their borders. If you are talking about India's spat with China in terms of territorial waters, I think the general consensus is that India is in excess of international law with its claims and China is conducting legal freedom of navigation operations just like the US does. The SCS is an entirely different issue, where both China and Taiwan have made territorial claims that are largely illegal under international law.
- lumost 5y ago
  The “spat” was the early 2020 militarized border conflict in the Himalayas. Recent talks to reach a resolution on this issue failed.
- d3vmax 5y ago
  PRC Shill here!
peoplefromibiza 5y ago
> because he referred to Taiwan as a country. But it isn't. Officially Taiwan is not a sovereign country. The status is controversial, it's similar to Catalunya in Spain (see what happened to Catalan leader Puigdemont) or Flanders in Belgium, but Taiwan is not officially a country. I think that if someone called Fort-de-France a country, France would correct them. On the other side of the spectrum, if someone says that Vatican and San Marino are Italy, they would protest. China is not dissimilar from USA In this regards.
- monetus 5y ago
  I don't know much about catalonia or flanders, but don't they participate in the national government? Dissimilarly, taiwan hasn't participated in the chinese government? Correct me if I'm wrong, I've been under the impression they are not integrated with the mainland in any meaningful way governmentally.
  - peoplefromibiza 5y ago
    they have their own parliaments and official languages https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliament_of_Catalonia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliament_of_Catalonia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flemish_Parliament https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flemish_Parliament but they are not independent countries.
    - monetus 5y ago
      I was looking it up as you replied and yeah, it seems like spain has judicial jurisdiction over catalonia and that is it. Huh. Thanks for the response.
- whimsicalism 5y ago
  This is disingenuous. You can't seriously claim there is no difference between Catalonia and Taiwan in their relationship to the broader national entity.
  - peoplefromibiza 5y ago
    I didn't say there is no difference, I've specifically said that their status is similar. Catalunya has a quite conflictual relationship with Spain and the level of conflict has raised in the past few years. Catalonia is not a country, Taiwan is not a country. Some of us might think that they deserve to be independent, but that's not their current political status, so calling Taiwan a country is technically wrong, just like calling Catalonia a country. In this specific example, if John Cena said that Catalonia is a country, Spain would have protested and probably asked Cena to correct himself.

whimsicalism 5y ago

> Chinese vessels regularly violate territorial waters, and there is an ongoing spat with India around their borders. If you are talking about India's spat with China in terms of territorial waters, I think the general consensus is that India is in excess of international law with its claims and China is conducting legal freedom of navigation operations just like the US does. The SCS is an entirely different issue, where both China and Taiwan have made territorial claims that are largely illegal under international law.

lumost 5y ago
The “spat” was the early 2020 militarized border conflict in the Himalayas. Recent talks to reach a resolution on this issue failed.
d3vmax 5y ago
PRC Shill here!

peoplefromibiza 5y ago

> because he referred to Taiwan as a country. But it isn't. Officially Taiwan is not a sovereign country. The status is controversial, it's similar to Catalunya in Spain (see what happened to Catalan leader Puigdemont) or Flanders in Belgium, but Taiwan is not officially a country. I think that if someone called Fort-de-France a country, France would correct them. On the other side of the spectrum, if someone says that Vatican and San Marino are Italy, they would protest. China is not dissimilar from USA In this regards.

monetus 5y ago
I don't know much about catalonia or flanders, but don't they participate in the national government? Dissimilarly, taiwan hasn't participated in the chinese government? Correct me if I'm wrong, I've been under the impression they are not integrated with the mainland in any meaningful way governmentally.
- peoplefromibiza 5y ago
  they have their own parliaments and official languages https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliament_of_Catalonia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliament_of_Catalonia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flemish_Parliament https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flemish_Parliament but they are not independent countries.
  - monetus 5y ago
    I was looking it up as you replied and yeah, it seems like spain has judicial jurisdiction over catalonia and that is it. Huh. Thanks for the response.
whimsicalism 5y ago
This is disingenuous. You can't seriously claim there is no difference between Catalonia and Taiwan in their relationship to the broader national entity.
- peoplefromibiza 5y ago
  I didn't say there is no difference, I've specifically said that their status is similar. Catalunya has a quite conflictual relationship with Spain and the level of conflict has raised in the past few years. Catalonia is not a country, Taiwan is not a country. Some of us might think that they deserve to be independent, but that's not their current political status, so calling Taiwan a country is technically wrong, just like calling Catalonia a country. In this specific example, if John Cena said that Catalonia is a country, Spain would have protested and probably asked Cena to correct himself.