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From a normative perspective, terminators are self-evidently dangerous as all hell and should be prohibited. From a realist frame, I don’t think there will be

From a normative perspective, terminators are self-evidently dangerous as all hell and should be prohibited. From a realist frame, I don’t think there will be a deal. Narrow national interests are too divergent w/r/t/ capabilities, intentions, and alternatives. Furthermore, verifibility and consequent trust is weak.

RGamma 5y ago
As always in unstable equilibria all is fine and well as long as everyone complies, but anyone may gain a unilateral advantage misbehaving. Pragmatically it's a lack of higher (multilateral) enforcement why these power plays persist.
- Aerroon 5y ago
  But the reason why higher enforcement doesn't exist is because nobody is trustworthy enough for it. American domination has been relatively good for the West, but citizens of many countries have immensely suffered as a result. Going back further it was European dominance that everyone else suffered under. Multilateral enforcement becomes yet another tool to take advantage of others that aren't invited.
JumpCrisscross 5y ago
> terminators are self-evidently dangerous as all hell and should be prohibited These are war machines. “Dangerous” per se cannot be a disqualifier.
- tbrake 5y ago
  Are you sure OP's use of "dangerous" wasn't around the implications of fully autonomous, no-human-intervention nature proposed in the article, and not the blatantly literal destructive nature of all war machines?
- sitkack 5y ago
  Many dimensions to words, your typographic skills reveal a non-accidental interpretation.
kurthr 5y ago
I think the real reason to hope for some form of prohibition (Geneva Convention) is that Terminators nominally make warfare more palatable than nukes, cruise missiles, or tanks & artillery. Those are obviously untargeted and make for "riveting video" and terrified populations (useful for other purposes of course). Automated Safety Enforcement Drones are selective and only issue quick justice to the baddies who stand in the way of freedom! If you can't shame leaders based on their prior agreements civil society doesn't have much else to do. Really, think about what happens when these tools of warfare return home for civilian use, because if they can, they will.
- JumpCrisscross 5y ago
  > Terminators nominally make warfare more palatable than nukes, cruise missiles, or tanks & artillery I guess I’d want to see evidence for this before pursuing an international moratorium everyone will undoubtedly violate the second it’s signed. Remote fire doesn’t seem that much closer than remote kill authorisations.

RGamma 5y ago

As always in unstable equilibria all is fine and well as long as everyone complies, but anyone may gain a unilateral advantage misbehaving. Pragmatically it's a lack of higher (multilateral) enforcement why these power plays persist.

Aerroon 5y ago
But the reason why higher enforcement doesn't exist is because nobody is trustworthy enough for it. American domination has been relatively good for the West, but citizens of many countries have immensely suffered as a result. Going back further it was European dominance that everyone else suffered under. Multilateral enforcement becomes yet another tool to take advantage of others that aren't invited.

JumpCrisscross 5y ago

> terminators are self-evidently dangerous as all hell and should be prohibited These are war machines. “Dangerous” per se cannot be a disqualifier.

tbrake 5y ago
Are you sure OP's use of "dangerous" wasn't around the implications of fully autonomous, no-human-intervention nature proposed in the article, and not the blatantly literal destructive nature of all war machines?
sitkack 5y ago
Many dimensions to words, your typographic skills reveal a non-accidental interpretation.

kurthr 5y ago

I think the real reason to hope for some form of prohibition (Geneva Convention) is that Terminators nominally make warfare more palatable than nukes, cruise missiles, or tanks & artillery. Those are obviously untargeted and make for "riveting video" and terrified populations (useful for other purposes of course). Automated Safety Enforcement Drones are selective and only issue quick justice to the baddies who stand in the way of freedom! If you can't shame leaders based on their prior agreements civil society doesn't have much else to do. Really, think about what happens when these tools of warfare return home for civilian use, because if they can, they will.

JumpCrisscross 5y ago
> Terminators nominally make warfare more palatable than nukes, cruise missiles, or tanks & artillery I guess I’d want to see evidence for this before pursuing an international moratorium everyone will undoubtedly violate the second it’s signed. Remote fire doesn’t seem that much closer than remote kill authorisations.