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> Take into consideration though that these minks were bred specifically to kill them for their skin. Is that not much more 'evil', to breed something specific

> Take into consideration though that these minks were bred specifically to kill them for their skin. Is that not much more 'evil', to breed something specifically to kill it for its skin? If it's not, then why is it not allowed to be done by the same species to itself?

adventured 5y ago
> Is that not much more 'evil', to breed something specifically to kill it for its skin? That depends on what value/s you place on the thing being bred for its coat. Pretty much all cultures around the world are different, subtly or dramatically, on such issues. > If it's not, then why is it not allowed to be done by the same species to itself? The answer to that is: because the humans judge that the minks (and their existence) are not equals in value to the humans, rather, they're considered property, to be disposed of as the owner sees fit. And obviously that aspect (as the owner sees fit) varies by location/culture. Your question - then why is it not allowed to be done by the same species to itself? - starts from the incorrect premise that values are objective, such as whether a mink should or should not be considered property (your premise requires starting from the notion that minks have protected rights and are equal to humans generally). Instead, those values are in fact subjective and will vary depending on which culture you're dealing with.
GekkePrutser 5y ago
Probably yes. I think both are pretty bad. I eat pretty much vegetarian for this reason (not entirely because here in Spain it's impossible to be totally vegetarian especially when you go out for dinner)
- pcthrowaway 5y ago
  Curious where in Spain you are. I'm vegan and was looking at spending some time in Spain (mainly Granada at one point because of low cost of living, location, and availability of vegan food). In the bigger cities, Happycow shows hundreds of fully vegan and vegetarian restaurants. As of yet I haven't actually been to Spain, but from traveling around Europe I did learn that eating vegan can (sometimes) be incredibly challenging. In a smaller coastal city in Italy I remember one night where the only food I could find to eat was a tomato salad (modified by removing all the non-vegan ingredients from a salad menu item). But overwhelmingly through my travels I've been able to find more options.
  - GekkePrutser 5y ago
    I'm in Barcelona. There are many vegetarian and vegan restaurants, yes. But when I go out for dinner with my Spanish friends they wouldn't pick those places. They'd always go for traditional places. Which means you end up with exactly the kind of thing you mention "Uhhh yeah we might have a salad for you" :D I'm not strictly vegetarian so it's not so much a problem but I had a colleague who used to come with us for lunch who got fed up with that. But as a tourist you'l be fine yeah. I'm from the Netherlands myself and the supermarkets there have a huge range of vegetarian and vegan foods. Here it's usually a corner of one of the fridges.

adventured 5y ago

> Is that not much more 'evil', to breed something specifically to kill it for its skin? That depends on what value/s you place on the thing being bred for its coat. Pretty much all cultures around the world are different, subtly or dramatically, on such issues. > If it's not, then why is it not allowed to be done by the same species to itself? The answer to that is: because the humans judge that the minks (and their existence) are not equals in value to the humans, rather, they're considered property, to be disposed of as the owner sees fit. And obviously that aspect (as the owner sees fit) varies by location/culture. Your question - then why is it not allowed to be done by the same species to itself? - starts from the incorrect premise that values are objective, such as whether a mink should or should not be considered property (your premise requires starting from the notion that minks have protected rights and are equal to humans generally). Instead, those values are in fact subjective and will vary depending on which culture you're dealing with.

GekkePrutser 5y ago

Probably yes. I think both are pretty bad. I eat pretty much vegetarian for this reason (not entirely because here in Spain it's impossible to be totally vegetarian especially when you go out for dinner)

pcthrowaway 5y ago
Curious where in Spain you are. I'm vegan and was looking at spending some time in Spain (mainly Granada at one point because of low cost of living, location, and availability of vegan food). In the bigger cities, Happycow shows hundreds of fully vegan and vegetarian restaurants. As of yet I haven't actually been to Spain, but from traveling around Europe I did learn that eating vegan can (sometimes) be incredibly challenging. In a smaller coastal city in Italy I remember one night where the only food I could find to eat was a tomato salad (modified by removing all the non-vegan ingredients from a salad menu item). But overwhelmingly through my travels I've been able to find more options.
- GekkePrutser 5y ago
  I'm in Barcelona. There are many vegetarian and vegan restaurants, yes. But when I go out for dinner with my Spanish friends they wouldn't pick those places. They'd always go for traditional places. Which means you end up with exactly the kind of thing you mention "Uhhh yeah we might have a salad for you" :D I'm not strictly vegetarian so it's not so much a problem but I had a colleague who used to come with us for lunch who got fed up with that. But as a tourist you'l be fine yeah. I'm from the Netherlands myself and the supermarkets there have a huge range of vegetarian and vegan foods. Here it's usually a corner of one of the fridges.