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Boeing suspends vaccine mandate for U.S. employees
- actually_a_dog 5y ago
- RKearney 5y agoThis ignores the fact that there are other religious reasons to oppose it, such as the fact that fetal cell lines from aborted fetuses were used to test the vaccine.
- goodoldneon 5y ago
- bitlax 5y agoAnd you're flat wrong about that. The typical response as pointed out by the Biden Administration has been "I wasn't aware of that but now that I am I will not use those products as well."
- dukeofdoom 5y agoIf they didn't know about it before, and only found out about it now, than they can simply state that going forward they will stop using these too. Not really hypocritically or a contradiction.
- ulfw 5y ago
- jonathankoren 5y agoThis is a lie. None of the covid vaccines contain aborted fetuses. Even when vaccines have used fetal cells lines, the cells were harvested from from 50 years ago. Pfizer https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-529913215948 https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-529913215948 Johnson & Johnson https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-johnson-aborted-idUSL1N2LU1T9 https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-johnson-aborted-id... Moderna’s RNA did not use this http://publichealth.lacounty.gov/media/Coronavirus/docs/vaccine/VaccineDevelopment_FetalCellLines.pdf http://publichealth.lacounty.gov/media/Coronavirus/docs/vacc... Even the Pope, head of the one of the most staunchest antiabortion religions, has gone on record saying that it is the duty of all Catholics to get vaccinated if possible, as all individuals have a collective duty each other. https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20201221_nota-vaccini-anticovid_en.html https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/docu... The sad fact is, it has become a political game to refuse a covid vaccine, as opposed to all vaccines. There is no difference between these vaccines and the countless others all of us have received — and were required to receive — in our lives.
- RKearney 5y agoI never said they contained them. I literally said "used to test the vaccine." Religions that oppose abortion typically don't have a statute of limitations on when the cells from them are okay to use to grow cell lines to use in testing.
- jonathankoren 5y ago> Religions that oppose abortion typically don't have a statute of limitations on when the cells from them are okay to use to grow cell lines to use in testing. You literally just made this up. I cited the pope himself. Using abortion as a complaint about vaccines is disingenuous, and it deserves to be treated as such. If this was the case, we wouldn’t be hearing about this in 2021, it would have been well known for 40 years. The sad truth is, evangelicals didn’t care about abortion until they lost segregation as a political rallying point. https://www.npr.org/2019/06/20/734303135/throughline-traces-evangelicals-history-on-the-abortion-issue https://www.npr.org/2019/06/20/734303135/throughline-traces-... I repeat. The whole complaint is a lie.
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- rdtwo 5y agoAll of them
- RKearney 5y agoDo you have a source for this claim?
- WillPostForFood 5y agoThe comment is based on their own religious beliefs.
- Flankk 5y agoI think you answered your own question. Christians typically use the bible to justify their own beliefs rather than form them. More bogus belief system than bogus grounds, in my opinion.
- shrubble 5y agoThe wording is 'sincerely held religious belief' and that's a key phrase in the legislation, as I understand it.
- actually_a_dog 5y agoThat's why I included the word "bogus."
- HarryHirsch 5y agoOne wishes they had written something like "belief conforming to established practice" or something, that would defend against antivaccionationists making up stuff on the spot.
- actually_a_dog 5y agoYeah, I agree. A couple people already don't like that I've asked the question, but they won't speak up about it.
- hn8788 5y agoAt least for federal employees, some of the questions they ask when judging the sincerity of your belief is what other medical procedures you've opted out of because of your religious belief, and what specific part of your religion forbids you from receiving the vaccine. It definitely wasn't a rubber stamp exemption approval like I thought it would be.
- lotsofpulp 5y agoIt should be a rubber stamp. (There should be no religious exemption in the first place). I grew up thinking America’s ideal was to be a country with separation of church and state. I do not see why a religion I make up 10 minutes ago should be any less of a religion than one made 100 years ago.
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- pyuser583 5y agoI know a few anti-vaxxers, and they’re more concerned about vitamins and colon cleanses than doctrines of mainstream religions.
- Trias11 5y agoIt doesn't matter. If politians are trying to force people to take a jab they don't beleive they need - people will use an escape shute instead of the door.
- actually_a_dog 5y agoNo, it really does matter. I don't have a problem with people who have genuine religious objections. I do have a problem with people who are just making shit up to get out of taking a shot.
- Trias11 5y agoWell, I guess it's your problem to keep.
- bitlax 5y agoThey're not claiming a general exemption from vaccination.
- dukeofdoom 5y agoYou don't need to part of major religion to gain exemption. Some people simply stated that their body is their temple. I don't think you even need religious thinking at all. If you held strong sincere moral and ethical position, like the need to preserve your right to bodily autonomy.
- actually_a_dog 5y agoMoral and ethical positions aren't relevant. Only religious and medical exemptions are allowed.
- pessimizer 5y agoProtestantism isn't a religion, it's thousands of different ones, one for each church or individual who believes they're getting direct revelation or that they've found a new way to read the Bible by taking out every prime-numbered verse or something. Government should get out of the business of defining religion, and tax them like everyone else unless they can prove they operate in some sort of secularly charitable way (like everyone else.) And if government gets out of the business of defining religion, it should get out of the business of religious exemptions. Make it required or make it optional for people regardless of belief. It's perverse to make me prove that my belief is purely, religiously irrational in order to get an exemption. Imagine a judge saying: "Sorry, that reason you've given for not allowing your child to have a blood transfusion makes a lot of sense, so it's not a religious belief. Therefore I order that the child be given the blood transfusion."
- amanaplanacanal 5y agoHonestly none of this is going to matter. The unvaccinated are all going to get the omicron variant over the next few weeks, and after that everybody’s immunity will be pretty much the same, vaccinated or not.
- cyanydeez 5y agothe science doesnt indicate that: 1. immune response is longer lasting than vaccines 2. that omicron is more deadly than predecessors 3. that prior coronovirus infection makes you less prone to omicron get vaccinated.
- StanislavPetrov 5y agoThe science doesn't indicate that: 1. Vaccine response is longer lasting than natural immunity 2. That omicron is as deadly as predecessors 3. That current vaccines make you less likely to contract omicron know the facts and make informed decisions
- dimitrios1 5y ago> 2. that omicron is more deadly than predecessors https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-17/s-africa-says-hospitalizations-in-omicron-wave-much-lower https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-17/s-africa-... > get vaccinated. Blanket statements like this continue to promote distrust. https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/12/16/1064909742/cdc-vote-narrow-use-of-johnson-and-johnson-covid-vaccine https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/1... Additionally, there is the VAERS database, which has an inexplicable surge of adverse vaccine related incidents since 2020. Make a personal health decision for yourself and determine if the benefits far exceed the risks. Then, get vaccinated.
- cyanydeez 5y agosorry man, the distrust you speak of is generated fud for pokitical purposes. so while you may have a grain of truth, its not a useful truth when stripped of the heavy antivaxx movement for political gain.
- throwawaysea 5y agoBodily autonomy is a fundamental civil liberty.
- actually_a_dog 5y agoUnfortunately, the Supreme Court disagrees with you in this particular circumstance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts
- claaams 5y agoBoeing runs everything so poorly (and lately literally into the ground) so hearing this it is not surprising.
- R0b0t1 5y agoI think it is pretty surprising. They're getting strong pushback internally from ostensibly well educated employees.
- GenerocUsername 5y agoDon't worry, modern Boeing HR has made sure no employees are tooo smart
- userbinator 5y agoThere are plenty of people who oppose vaccine mandates but not vaccines.
- R0b0t1 5y agoThey are not separable in a public health crisis. Your personal autonomy does not trump other's right to life. That well educated people can't tell the difference is what is surprising.
- nradov 5y agoThere is no right to life. There's not even a right to be protected from dangers. That well educated people wrongly believe such a right exists is surprising. Instead of inventing imaginary rights you might be more convincing by focusing on responsibilities.
- R0b0t1 5y agoWhy is murder illegal?
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- strix_varius 5y ago> the number of Boeing employees seeking a vaccine exemption on religious or medical grounds had reached more than 11,000 - or nearly 9% of its U.S. workforce I need to sell my Boeing stock; this doesn't bode well for the average competency of their organization.
- bitlax 5y agoYeah do that.
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- qwertyuiop_ 5y agoI should buy your stock
- nradov 5y agoThe court ruling was reversed today so apparently the OSHA vaccine mandate on large employees is back in effect. https://www.npr.org/2021/12/17/1065401498/bidens-osha-vaccine-mandate-test-million-workers https://www.npr.org/2021/12/17/1065401498/bidens-osha-vaccin...
- landemva 5y agoUntil USSC does a review. From that link, 'a motion requesting a new emergency stay has been filed with the U.S. Supreme Court.' The OSHA mandate is ridiculous. The MSHA approach is adequate and reasonable, and MSHA really does safety and not just safety theater. Yes, I am a MSHA regulated miner.