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This is how it fails: Turn the system on, keep a finger touching the steering wheel, then close your eyes. Boom.

by ncr100 5y ago

ajross 5y ago
In fact no. It actively monitors driver attention with a camera. If you close your eyes or look down at your phone for more than a few seconds, the car will shriek at you, lock you out of autopilot for the drive[1], and if you don't take manual control will bring the vehicle to a stop. Recent versions have in fact been tuned to be too sensitive and people have been complaining about false positives. I do wish people would spend some time actually investigating how this system works before pontificating about it. It's not done. But it's far, far closer to done than you seem to want to believe. [1] And after three such events kick you out of the beta program entirely.
- lolc 5y ago
  I can follow the argument on how FSD does not fall under the law because of its requirement for driver attention. I do wonder how much water that holds, but that is for another thread. What I'm curious about is what you mean by "done". You mean an autonomous Tesla that can drive without human supervision? Is Tesla close to that in your view? On what type of roads?
- tommoor 5y ago
  Is this a recent change? There are many videos online of Tesla's "driving" with no-one in the driver seat. One tester in the bay area even had his car seized[1] [1] https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/backseat-tesla-driver-unapologetic-after-arrest-for-reckless-driving/2544875/ https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/backseat-tesla-driver-...
  - nbutyllithium 5y ago
    It's specifically enabled for those enrolled in the full self driving beta (and only while it's enabled). As far as I know it's not yet made its way to those who just use autopilot which is what was used with that remarkably dangerous backseat stupidity. Edit: Zaroth's comment makes it sound like it's now enabled for normal autopilot use as well https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29598520 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29598520
    - zaroth 5y ago
      I am in the FSD Beta queue but I have not gotten access to it yet! I wonder if the more aggressive monitoring and alerts turn on when you enter the queue for FSD Beta as a way to monitor your alertness before granting entry into the Beta?!

This is how it fails: Turn the system on, keep a finger touching the steering wheel, then close your eyes. Boom.

by ncr100 5y ago

This is how it fails: Turn the system on, keep a finger touching the steering wheel, then close your eyes. Boom.

In fact no. It actively monitors driver attention with a camera. If you close your eyes or look down at your phone for more than a few seconds, the car will shriek at you, lock you out of autopilot for the drive[1], and if you don't take manual control will bring the vehicle to a stop. Recent versions have in fact been tuned to be too sensitive and people have been complaining about false positives. I do wish people would spend some time actually investigating how this system works before pontificating about it. It's not done. But it's far, far closer to done than you seem to want to believe. [1] And after three such events kick you out of the beta program entirely.

lolc 5y ago
I can follow the argument on how FSD does not fall under the law because of its requirement for driver attention. I do wonder how much water that holds, but that is for another thread. What I'm curious about is what you mean by "done". You mean an autonomous Tesla that can drive without human supervision? Is Tesla close to that in your view? On what type of roads?
tommoor 5y ago
Is this a recent change? There are many videos online of Tesla's "driving" with no-one in the driver seat. One tester in the bay area even had his car seized[1] [1] https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/backseat-tesla-driver-unapologetic-after-arrest-for-reckless-driving/2544875/ https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/backseat-tesla-driver-...
- nbutyllithium 5y ago
  It's specifically enabled for those enrolled in the full self driving beta (and only while it's enabled). As far as I know it's not yet made its way to those who just use autopilot which is what was used with that remarkably dangerous backseat stupidity. Edit: Zaroth's comment makes it sound like it's now enabled for normal autopilot use as well https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29598520 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29598520
  - zaroth 5y ago
    I am in the FSD Beta queue but I have not gotten access to it yet! I wonder if the more aggressive monitoring and alerts turn on when you enter the queue for FSD Beta as a way to monitor your alertness before granting entry into the Beta?!