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I don't know. Does this not smell like a soft proxy war to you? Lithuania is being pressured by the US to say/do certain things against America's top rival. If

by oblak 5y ago

I don't know. Does this not smell like a soft proxy war to you? Lithuania is being pressured by the US to say/do certain things against America's top rival. If any of this is true, what the fuck did they expect? Remind me again, why do we need to care about the well being of the hegemon who has been ravaging the world for about 100 years, while their current competitor hasn't done much on the international scene. Surely bombing tens of millions and overthrowing governments is worse than whatever the fuck is going on IN China. No?

thoughtstheseus 5y ago
Taiwan is a chill democracy. It's not surprising some random European country would prefer them over the PRC. What matters is the now.
- rurban 5y ago
  Hold on. Taiwan became a democracy just a few years ago (1996). Before it was still one of the many fascist satellite states of the US, which helped the Kuomintang with their revolution in China, which they lost. "Chill" democracy is chill, like the "chill democracies" in Korea or HK, with a similar fate. Still better than the PRC of course. Random European countries always prefer stable fascist partners over democracies.
  - wbsss4412 5y ago
    25 years is just a few years ago? I suppose on geological timescales, but thats spanning multiple generations.
    - rurban 5y ago
      Well, the democratic parties lost the elections, so they are left at the status before.
lumost 5y ago
If you are a democracy, then befriending other democracy's makes sense. At the end of the day it's unlikely that the consensus formed from small and large democracies will be grievously disagreeable as long as there are protections for minority participants (small democracies). There isn't a good frame of reference to understand what a hegemonic China will entail in the long-term for a country like Lithuania. It's certainly unlikely that the US will continue to provide security (NATO). Nor will the EU provide an effective economic and diplomatic force if member states can be played against each other.
phantomathkg 5y ago
So are you implying China is doing the world good?
emptysongglass 5y ago
No, I really don't think a literal genocide IN China is less worse than bombing "tens of millions" (where did you get this number?). > while their current competitor hasn't done much on the international scene. So holding African ports for ransom and illegally invading the territorial waters of countries from Ecuador to Argentina doesn't count?

by oblak 5y ago

thoughtstheseus 5y ago

Taiwan is a chill democracy. It's not surprising some random European country would prefer them over the PRC. What matters is the now.

rurban 5y ago
Hold on. Taiwan became a democracy just a few years ago (1996). Before it was still one of the many fascist satellite states of the US, which helped the Kuomintang with their revolution in China, which they lost. "Chill" democracy is chill, like the "chill democracies" in Korea or HK, with a similar fate. Still better than the PRC of course. Random European countries always prefer stable fascist partners over democracies.
- wbsss4412 5y ago
  25 years is just a few years ago? I suppose on geological timescales, but thats spanning multiple generations.
  - rurban 5y ago
    Well, the democratic parties lost the elections, so they are left at the status before.

lumost 5y ago

If you are a democracy, then befriending other democracy's makes sense. At the end of the day it's unlikely that the consensus formed from small and large democracies will be grievously disagreeable as long as there are protections for minority participants (small democracies). There isn't a good frame of reference to understand what a hegemonic China will entail in the long-term for a country like Lithuania. It's certainly unlikely that the US will continue to provide security (NATO). Nor will the EU provide an effective economic and diplomatic force if member states can be played against each other.

phantomathkg 5y ago

So are you implying China is doing the world good?

emptysongglass 5y ago

No, I really don't think a literal genocide IN China is less worse than bombing "tens of millions" (where did you get this number?). > while their current competitor hasn't done much on the international scene. So holding African ports for ransom and illegally invading the territorial waters of countries from Ecuador to Argentina doesn't count?