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Europe has a long history of dealing with imperial bullies. In fact, that is the reason why the concept of modern state and sovereignty were created there in th
by diego_moita 5y ago
Europe has a long history of dealing with imperial bullies. In fact, that is the reason why the concept of modern state and sovereignty were created there in the Westphalia Treaties.
I so much hope all the smaller European countries honor their own fight for freedom and sovereignty and get behind Lithuania. If they don't do that then what is the purpose of belonging to the European Union?
- pokepim 5y agoWhat imperial bullies? The biggest empires in the history were European and usually they were the bully… What is even that comment.
- CogitoCogito 5y ago> What imperial bullies? The biggest empires in the history were European and usually they were the bully… What is even that comment. In this case, China is quite clearly the imperial bully.
- dragonwriter 5y ago> The biggest empires in the history were European Different sources I can find have between 4 and 5 of the top 10 as European, the rest Asian, and pretty consistently have them alternating the top 4.
- diego_moita 5y ago> What imperial bullies? There are a lot of countries in Europe. Most of them were not bullies or, at least, were far less bullies than their neighbors: Norway, Iceland, Denmark, Luxembourg, Switzerland, Czech Republic, Hungary, Greece, Ireland, Portugal, Poland, Sweden, Romania, ... Even some of the big empires (e.g.: Netherlands, Belgium) actually went through the experience of being bullied.
- NicoJuicy 5y agoThe present > the past Some people could have made mistakes as a teenager. How they are now is more important, humans ( normally ) learn from mistakes. Same for countries, Europe has changed a lot over the years/decades/centuries. Because of advancements in technologies enabling global communication, the success is now mostly based on trade and not on war/conquer like in the past. People keep forgetting that it really is a different world compared to 1600.
- oblak 5y agoI don't know. Does this not smell like a soft proxy war to you? Lithuania is being pressured by the US to say/do certain things against America's top rival. If any of this is true, what the fuck did they expect? Remind me again, why do we need to care about the well being of the hegemon who has been ravaging the world for about 100 years, while their current competitor hasn't done much on the international scene. Surely bombing tens of millions and overthrowing governments is worse than whatever the fuck is going on IN China. No?
- thoughtstheseus 5y agoTaiwan is a chill democracy. It's not surprising some random European country would prefer them over the PRC. What matters is the now.
- rurban 5y agoHold on. Taiwan became a democracy just a few years ago (1996). Before it was still one of the many fascist satellite states of the US, which helped the Kuomintang with their revolution in China, which they lost. "Chill" democracy is chill, like the "chill democracies" in Korea or HK, with a similar fate. Still better than the PRC of course. Random European countries always prefer stable fascist partners over democracies.
- lumost 5y agoIf you are a democracy, then befriending other democracy's makes sense. At the end of the day it's unlikely that the consensus formed from small and large democracies will be grievously disagreeable as long as there are protections for minority participants (small democracies). There isn't a good frame of reference to understand what a hegemonic China will entail in the long-term for a country like Lithuania. It's certainly unlikely that the US will continue to provide security (NATO). Nor will the EU provide an effective economic and diplomatic force if member states can be played against each other.
- edwinyzh 5y ago>>Europe has a long history of dealing with imperial bullies Check https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:History_of_European_colonialism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:History_of_European_c...