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Russia doesn’t give a fuck about Ukraine for as long as it’s not in Nato. Just like the US didn’t like Russian military presence on Cuba, they don’t want the US

by abcd_f 5y ago

Russia doesn’t give a fuck about Ukraine for as long as it’s not in Nato. Just like the US didn’t like Russian military presence on Cuba, they don’t want the US presence in Ukraine. It’s all fundamentally dead simple. Russia views Ukraine as a buffer country between itself and the West and will do anything to keep it that way.

dragonwriter 5y ago
> Russia doesn’t give a fuck about Ukraine They should probably stop invading more and more of it over time, then.
- Nasreddin_Hodja 5y ago
  > They should probably stop invading more and more of it over time, then. They should do it for the sake of security of Europe. Ukraine is not capable of controlling "own" territory.
MagnumOpus 5y ago
That's falsified by Russia's ongoing metre-by-metre invasion of Georgia[0]. Not a NATO member, and won't become one either. Still Vova Putin saw some Lebensraum and decided it's his for the taking. [0] https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/humanrights/2019/02/05/russias-new-strategy-in-georgia-creeping-occupation/ https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/humanrights/2019/02/05/russias-new-s...
hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago
> Russia doesn’t give a fuck about Ukraine Their actions from 2014 until now show otherwise. Ukraine is not a part of NATO but Putin decided to grab Crimea, Donbas, and keep the military activity for over 5 years in order to destabilize the country.
- abcd_f 5y ago
  Don’t misquote. Current conflict is rooted exactly in Ukraine trying to aligning itself with the West. It would’ve been the EU first, Nato second for them. That would’ve created a massive headache for Russia, including the loss of its only warm port, hence the annexation and the invasion. And now Ukraine is in limbo, because the EU won’t touch it with a wooden pole while it is in an active conflict.
  - atlasunshrugged 5y ago
    Yes, even if they didn't make it into the EU, Putin's loss of political cronies at the highest level of government is dangerous for him, he has talked about the end of the Soviet Union being a tragedy so I wouldn't be so sure he doesn't want to re-unite the countries, and totally agree on the ports (plus it was insanely popular domestically, at least at first to annex Crimea)
  - drran 5y ago
    Current war of RF with Ukraine is about natural gas. Ukraine tried to drill natural gas near to Slovians`k by contracting Shell, to export natural gas to EU, to block RF from selling to EU. Also, Ukraine won a dispute with Romania about a natural gas field in the Black Sea. These actions threatened Gasprom plans to be $1 trillion company, so Gasprom owners started the war. Everything else is secondary.
drran 5y ago
RF has border with USA.
sofixa 5y ago
> Just like the US didn’t like Russian military presence on Cuba, they don’t want the US presence in Ukraine. Which was, funnily, in response to US military presence in Turkey, which is still there. It's understandable that Russia doesn't want to see itself surrounded by "enemies".
adrr 5y ago
Why invade Crimea? Ukraine has two choices now, join nato or develop nukes and ICBMs.

by abcd_f 5y ago

dragonwriter 5y ago

> Russia doesn’t give a fuck about Ukraine They should probably stop invading more and more of it over time, then.

Nasreddin_Hodja 5y ago
> They should probably stop invading more and more of it over time, then. They should do it for the sake of security of Europe. Ukraine is not capable of controlling "own" territory.

MagnumOpus 5y ago

That's falsified by Russia's ongoing metre-by-metre invasion of Georgia[0]. Not a NATO member, and won't become one either. Still Vova Putin saw some Lebensraum and decided it's his for the taking. [0] https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/humanrights/2019/02/05/russias-new-strategy-in-georgia-creeping-occupation/ https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/humanrights/2019/02/05/russias-new-s...

hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago

> Russia doesn’t give a fuck about Ukraine Their actions from 2014 until now show otherwise. Ukraine is not a part of NATO but Putin decided to grab Crimea, Donbas, and keep the military activity for over 5 years in order to destabilize the country.

abcd_f 5y ago
Don’t misquote. Current conflict is rooted exactly in Ukraine trying to aligning itself with the West. It would’ve been the EU first, Nato second for them. That would’ve created a massive headache for Russia, including the loss of its only warm port, hence the annexation and the invasion. And now Ukraine is in limbo, because the EU won’t touch it with a wooden pole while it is in an active conflict.
- atlasunshrugged 5y ago
  Yes, even if they didn't make it into the EU, Putin's loss of political cronies at the highest level of government is dangerous for him, he has talked about the end of the Soviet Union being a tragedy so I wouldn't be so sure he doesn't want to re-unite the countries, and totally agree on the ports (plus it was insanely popular domestically, at least at first to annex Crimea)
- drran 5y ago
  Current war of RF with Ukraine is about natural gas. Ukraine tried to drill natural gas near to Slovians`k by contracting Shell, to export natural gas to EU, to block RF from selling to EU. Also, Ukraine won a dispute with Romania about a natural gas field in the Black Sea. These actions threatened Gasprom plans to be $1 trillion company, so Gasprom owners started the war. Everything else is secondary.

drran 5y ago

RF has border with USA.

sofixa 5y ago

> Just like the US didn’t like Russian military presence on Cuba, they don’t want the US presence in Ukraine. Which was, funnily, in response to US military presence in Turkey, which is still there. It's understandable that Russia doesn't want to see itself surrounded by "enemies".

adrr 5y ago

Why invade Crimea? Ukraine has two choices now, join nato or develop nukes and ICBMs.