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Part of the mainstream media does not have any credibility if they do not provide hard facts. Neither today nor historically do they have a clean record, this i

Part of the mainstream media does not have any credibility if they do not provide hard facts. Neither today nor historically do they have a clean record, this is why you need to check their statements. Either for access or financial incentives they like to write such articles, but that is irrelevant. As I said, these articles aren't sourced credibly. You can believe me or not, that does not change the facts and that is specifically that young people are not clogging up ICUs, no matter if they are vaccinated or not. If the press states otherwise, then they are wrong. Perhaps the data is wrong too, but that is more unlikely.

SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
It is a propaganda tactic to assert that the truth is "blatantly wrong" without justifying that, and then when asked, to rant about "bias", "credibility" " fear mongering" and "facts" in response. If you do have a point, then your presentation entirely undermines it. Your failure to answer what is so "very obvious" about something that a wide range of sources contradict, underscores it.
- raxxorrax 5y ago
  Let us just disagree here what we think is correct or false information. But if you or the original poster want to blame others for their life risk, expect headwind.
  - SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
    > Let us just disagree here what we think is correct or false information Are you saying now that it's not obvious? So ... not blatant? > But if you want to blame others for their life risk, That's not the issue. But people's life risk doesn't exist in a vacuum, it impacts people around them. If their life risk impact me (which it does) then it's an issue. In order to deny that, you have to also deny e.g. that they end up filling the ICUs.
    - raxxorrax 5y ago
      You have to live with that and the risk does not warrant blaming others. Because if they are under a certain age and therefore not in a risk group, the risk to you is marginal, completely independent from anyones vaccination status. You can reduce your risk by getting vaccinated yourself or by isolating.
      - SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
        > You have to live with that and the risk does not warrant blaming others You could say that about any risk, e.g. "you have to live with the risk of drunk drivers, and the risk does not warrant blaming others, we just have to live with drunk driving." it's certainly an opinion that you have there, but societies in general have not chosen to treat serious risks that way, so the "have to" part isn't correct, no: we can and often do choose better than that. I see that you're no longer trying to defend your "blatant lie" comment. Good, it's indefensible.

SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago

It is a propaganda tactic to assert that the truth is "blatantly wrong" without justifying that, and then when asked, to rant about "bias", "credibility" " fear mongering" and "facts" in response. If you do have a point, then your presentation entirely undermines it. Your failure to answer what is so "very obvious" about something that a wide range of sources contradict, underscores it.

raxxorrax 5y ago
Let us just disagree here what we think is correct or false information. But if you or the original poster want to blame others for their life risk, expect headwind.
- SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
  > Let us just disagree here what we think is correct or false information Are you saying now that it's not obvious? So ... not blatant? > But if you want to blame others for their life risk, That's not the issue. But people's life risk doesn't exist in a vacuum, it impacts people around them. If their life risk impact me (which it does) then it's an issue. In order to deny that, you have to also deny e.g. that they end up filling the ICUs.
  - raxxorrax 5y ago
    You have to live with that and the risk does not warrant blaming others. Because if they are under a certain age and therefore not in a risk group, the risk to you is marginal, completely independent from anyones vaccination status. You can reduce your risk by getting vaccinated yourself or by isolating.
    - SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
      > You have to live with that and the risk does not warrant blaming others You could say that about any risk, e.g. "you have to live with the risk of drunk drivers, and the risk does not warrant blaming others, we just have to live with drunk driving." it's certainly an opinion that you have there, but societies in general have not chosen to treat serious risks that way, so the "have to" part isn't correct, no: we can and often do choose better than that. I see that you're no longer trying to defend your "blatant lie" comment. Good, it's indefensible.