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> Unvaccinated people under the age of 60 certainly do not put any significant pressure on ICUs However: "Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine a day earlier warned of a “sta

> Unvaccinated people under the age of 60 certainly do not put any significant pressure on ICUs However: "Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine a day earlier warned of a “startling” rise in Covid hospitalizations among young people." https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/22/unvaccinated-covid-patients-overwhelm-ohio-hospitals-as-delta-surges-across-state.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/22/unvaccinated-covid-patients-... "I’m treating more and more young, unvaccinated people in ICU" https://metro.co.uk/2021/11/10/most-covid-patients-i-treat-in-the-icu-are-unvaccinated-get-your-jab-15555930/ https://metro.co.uk/2021/11/10/most-covid-patients-i-treat-i... "We're seeing younger people, unvaccinated, who take up around 75 percent of the intensive care beds and that's not just here, that's nationally." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-59405471 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-594054... "90% were not fully vaccinated, with most tending to be on average six years younger than patients admitted to ICU who are fully vaccinated" https://www.bartshealth.nhs.uk/news/almost-90-of-patients-admitted-to-intensive-care-units-in-north-east-london-are-not-fully-vaccinated-11544 https://www.bartshealth.nhs.uk/news/almost-90-of-patients-ad... "Young people in ICU with Covid almost exclusively unvaccinated and some are dying" https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/young-people-in-icu-with-covid-almost-exclusively-unvaccinated-and-some-are-dying-medics-on-the-reality-of-crisis-41095967.html https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/young-people-in-i... Why do you call this "a blatant lie and demonizes people" ? - that's strong language, and would need some justification. "blatant" means "very obvious", so what is very obvious about it? What I'm very obviously seeing, is not what you claim to be very obviously seeing.

peteradio 5y ago
Those are not statistics related to ICU occupancy, except for this line: "We're seeing younger people, unvaccinated, who take up around 75 percent of the intensive care beds and that's not just here, that's nationally." How do you read that? 75% of ICU bed are being taken up by young unvaccinated covid patients? I'd bet all my money that is not true. These sentences are being put together to drive the cattle not inform.
- n8henrie 5y ago
  > 75% of ICU bed are being taken up by young unvaccinated covid patients? FWIW, I think this roughly represents my experience WRT our 4-bed ICU on the Navajo Nation. Extremely high vaccination rate, with the exception of young people who didn't think they would get very sick, and they've ended up representing most of our ICU players.
  - SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
    They're not just "betting all their money" but also their lives on it not being true. because they really want it to be true. And the majority win that bet, for them. But a minority losing it is still enough to fill the ICUs.
    - peteradio 5y ago
      Wanna back up that 75% young people clogging up ICUs with covid? Is that what you really want to be true?
      - SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
        What I "really want to be true" is irrelevant, we have to engage with the world as it is, not as we wish it to be. Plans are better if they are based on reality, not on our "bet".
        peteradio 5y ago
        Ok, so to be clear you believe that young people with their covid are clogging up ICUs at a rate of 75% occupancy, and that is based on an off-the-cuff riff from a single person and not validated statistics? Personally I think its clear that they are saying 75% people of all ages are unvaccinated in the ICU, some unmentioned percentage being "younger" i.e 60 rather than 90. That is, not 75% are young and unvaccinated. The poor precision of the sentence lends itself to be understood incorrectly and its unfortunate that un-discerning people pass along their misunderstanding.
raxxorrax 5y ago
None of these articles have any sources and are known for fear mongering by now. It is not reflected by numbers. https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmed.2020.560685/full https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmed.2020.56068... or specifically: https://www.frontiersin.org/files/Articles/560685/fmed-07-560685-HTML/image_m/fmed-07-560685-g001.jpg https://www.frontiersin.org/files/Articles/560685/fmed-07-56... And even they have a questionable method by aggregating people of age 40-69. If you would split it further 40-59, the middle aged group would look just as the young one. It certainly does not affect you negatively if someone under 50 is unvaccinated because ICU usage would still be very low and the indictment warrants a direct response because the poster was accusing innocents.
- SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
  If you're going to dismiss a wide range of mainstream media "unsourced, known for fear mongering" then I'm going to stop listening, it's not a worthwhile conversation. Again, what is so "very obvious" about something that a wide range of sources contradict?
  - raxxorrax 5y ago
    Part of the mainstream media does not have any credibility if they do not provide hard facts. Neither today nor historically do they have a clean record, this is why you need to check their statements. Either for access or financial incentives they like to write such articles, but that is irrelevant. As I said, these articles aren't sourced credibly. You can believe me or not, that does not change the facts and that is specifically that young people are not clogging up ICUs, no matter if they are vaccinated or not. If the press states otherwise, then they are wrong. Perhaps the data is wrong too, but that is more unlikely.
    - SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
      It is a propaganda tactic to assert that the truth is "blatantly wrong" without justifying that, and then when asked, to rant about "bias", "credibility" " fear mongering" and "facts" in response. If you do have a point, then your presentation entirely undermines it. Your failure to answer what is so "very obvious" about something that a wide range of sources contradict, underscores it.

peteradio 5y ago

Those are not statistics related to ICU occupancy, except for this line: "We're seeing younger people, unvaccinated, who take up around 75 percent of the intensive care beds and that's not just here, that's nationally." How do you read that? 75% of ICU bed are being taken up by young unvaccinated covid patients? I'd bet all my money that is not true. These sentences are being put together to drive the cattle not inform.

n8henrie 5y ago
> 75% of ICU bed are being taken up by young unvaccinated covid patients? FWIW, I think this roughly represents my experience WRT our 4-bed ICU on the Navajo Nation. Extremely high vaccination rate, with the exception of young people who didn't think they would get very sick, and they've ended up representing most of our ICU players.
- SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
  They're not just "betting all their money" but also their lives on it not being true. because they really want it to be true. And the majority win that bet, for them. But a minority losing it is still enough to fill the ICUs.
  - peteradio 5y ago
    Wanna back up that 75% young people clogging up ICUs with covid? Is that what you really want to be true?
    - SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
      What I "really want to be true" is irrelevant, we have to engage with the world as it is, not as we wish it to be. Plans are better if they are based on reality, not on our "bet".
      - peteradio 5y ago
        Ok, so to be clear you believe that young people with their covid are clogging up ICUs at a rate of 75% occupancy, and that is based on an off-the-cuff riff from a single person and not validated statistics? Personally I think its clear that they are saying 75% people of all ages are unvaccinated in the ICU, some unmentioned percentage being "younger" i.e 60 rather than 90. That is, not 75% are young and unvaccinated. The poor precision of the sentence lends itself to be understood incorrectly and its unfortunate that un-discerning people pass along their misunderstanding.

raxxorrax 5y ago

None of these articles have any sources and are known for fear mongering by now. It is not reflected by numbers. https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmed.2020.560685/full https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmed.2020.56068... or specifically: https://www.frontiersin.org/files/Articles/560685/fmed-07-560685-HTML/image_m/fmed-07-560685-g001.jpg https://www.frontiersin.org/files/Articles/560685/fmed-07-56... And even they have a questionable method by aggregating people of age 40-69. If you would split it further 40-59, the middle aged group would look just as the young one. It certainly does not affect you negatively if someone under 50 is unvaccinated because ICU usage would still be very low and the indictment warrants a direct response because the poster was accusing innocents.

SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
If you're going to dismiss a wide range of mainstream media "unsourced, known for fear mongering" then I'm going to stop listening, it's not a worthwhile conversation. Again, what is so "very obvious" about something that a wide range of sources contradict?
- raxxorrax 5y ago
  Part of the mainstream media does not have any credibility if they do not provide hard facts. Neither today nor historically do they have a clean record, this is why you need to check their statements. Either for access or financial incentives they like to write such articles, but that is irrelevant. As I said, these articles aren't sourced credibly. You can believe me or not, that does not change the facts and that is specifically that young people are not clogging up ICUs, no matter if they are vaccinated or not. If the press states otherwise, then they are wrong. Perhaps the data is wrong too, but that is more unlikely.
  - SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
    It is a propaganda tactic to assert that the truth is "blatantly wrong" without justifying that, and then when asked, to rant about "bias", "credibility" " fear mongering" and "facts" in response. If you do have a point, then your presentation entirely undermines it. Your failure to answer what is so "very obvious" about something that a wide range of sources contradict, underscores it.