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Given the CDC projected that more than 146 million estimated total infections of Americans with 1 in 4.0 (95% UI* 3.4 – 4.7) COVID–19 infections reported[1] I t

by eggy 5y ago

Given the CDC projected that more than 146 million estimated total infections of Americans with 1 in 4.0 (95% UI* 3.4 – 4.7) COVID–19 infections reported[1] I think the fraction of those vaccinated and developing myocarditis is even larger than the study shows vs. those who have had COVID and not in the 1 in 4.0 figure above (the other 3/4). That peak of myocarditis in the vaccinated would be even more lonelier at the top of the bar chart! The vaccines were first hopefully going to prevent the spread, remember that? Now we know they don't. They prevent serious illness and hospitalizations, however, as someone who had COVID, is unvaccinated, but is relegated to getting tested weekly and wearing a mask, while the vaccinated, who can spread infection as much as I could, is a travesty of fairness. My very healthy nephew developed myocarditis for 6 weeks a few days after getting vaccinated. My colleague at work twenty years younger than me, healthy, with two vaccinations less than a month old, developed a "break through" infection - what does that even mean anymore? He has had unusually high blood pressure for weeks after his infection. Then he just went and got boosted yesterday! There is no long-term, RCT studies, and the original control groups have been eliminated. Yeah, so test the guy every week with natural immunity and ignore that natural immunity because Fauci, the CDC, and big tech tell you to. Everyone is getting fed up. And now NYS passes mandatory masking again for adults, never mind, we have been forcing the least vulnerable, our children to mask up at school 6 hours a day. Don't tell me kids 11 and younger are at any significant risk unless of course they have a BMI over 35 and diabetes or another comorbidity. I hope the scientists of this Nature article aren't beat down by those who profess "Follow the Science" as they bury any narrative contrary to big pharma, big tech, and mainstream media. [1] https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burd...

raxxorrax 5y ago
I think anyone considering a mandate with these numbers should be deeply ashamed of himself. Vaccinating children should be completely off the table in my opinion.
- eggy 5y ago
  I agree. I am not vaccinating my healthy 2 year-old or 6 year-old child. There's no rational reason at this point. Vaccinated and boosted people can get the grandparents sick too. What has caught me off guard these past few years is tracking it all, until I stop and really pay attention. Given the vaccines don't stop the spread, although it's great that they prevent serious illness and hospitalization, and so many are vaccinated or have natural immunity like myself and my family, why all the panic, masking, and boosting still? Why are the least vulnerable, our young children, being masked all day at school, and now mandated to take vaccines in some states? It's almost criminal. History will reveal this seemingly unavoidable folly in hindsight as a great mistake. The majority of serious illnesses and deaths are the elderly and them and others with comorbidities. There is the outlier young person who has no comorbidities, and is perfectly healthy, but it is a very, very small number. It seems a young male 24 years and younger should have the right to self-assess with their doctor on the risks of myocarditis vs. the 3.8e-5 benefits of getting vaccinated, and certainly not being mandated to be vaccinated. There is also a large number of people like myself who have had COVID, but unlike me they did not feel it enough to go get tested or treated. That will only serve to show how much more the risks are for vaccinated myocarditis. My antibodies are still sitting high a year after my infection and recovery at 116 (IgG), when > 15 is considered an indicative amount to give a positive on the test. I have not had a reinfection (that I have felt or know of), and yet I am forced to test weekly and wear a mask to keep my job. At least 10 people in a company of 150 at this location have had a noticeable infection (I refuse to call it a "break through" infection any longer, it no longer make sense). These 10 all had at least 2 shots, mainly Pfizer, and 4 had boosters! I know SARS-COV-1 from 2003 is in the family, but a different animal, however, they are still testing SARS-COV-1 recovered people from 18 years ago who still have immunity in their T-cells![1] Will we ever learn (or Fauci from his 80s AIDS/AZT fiasco [1.1] (I was in my twenties in BKLYN)to now with the COVID crisis), or is natural immunity thrown overboard for the sake of not discouraging vaccinations, which is cruel from my perspective, and now we know this will not stop the spread anyway, so I wage my natural immunity against anyone's 2 vaccines, and I spot you two more boosters ;) Yes, I know the company line is at least one vaccine and natural immunity gives you super immunity. I don't believe it outweighs the risks for me. One of the people of the 10 mentioned above had a horrible bout of COVID after 2 shots and a booster, and he's 20 years younger than me. I don't drink or smoke. I used to exercise daily (BMI 25), but I have since put on a few pounds (BMI 29) switching from manual work at 40% if the time to office work 60% of the time, to almost 95% office work now and COVID comfort food. A lot of the people under 55 that have had serious illness or died had comorbidities such as obesity and/or diabetes and others. Look for yourself on the CDC website. Download and filter by age and comorbidities or not. You will see that this is being buried. Fat shaming etc. I also read an interesting statistical study that said of the vulnerable that died, if COVID had not accelerated it, the flu or pneumonia would have, and they statistically were likely to die within 2 years of their age given their age and pre-existing comorbidities. Temper the 800,000 US deaths with that number and see how bad you think it is after doing some research. Let that sink in. Look at the UK's NHS site for number of people who died within 28 days of their first positive test for COVID-19 [2]. It's sad but their site and they way they present data is so much better than the CDC's site. We focus so much on number of cases here, and it's hard to put together nice comparisons on the CDC site without downloading the CSV data files and doing it yourself. We live with SARS-COV-1 and MERS, so let's get back to normal. America needs to address its obesity, diabetes, and other health issues if you really want to save more lives or have something to panic about. I am an American BTW. [1] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2550-z https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2550-z [1.1] https://aep.lib.rochester.edu/node/49111 https://aep.lib.rochester.edu/node/49111 [2] https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths?areaType=nation%26areaName=England#card-death_rates_within_28_days_of_positive_test_by_age_and_sex https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths?areaType=nati...

by eggy 5y ago

raxxorrax 5y ago

I think anyone considering a mandate with these numbers should be deeply ashamed of himself. Vaccinating children should be completely off the table in my opinion.

eggy 5y ago
I agree. I am not vaccinating my healthy 2 year-old or 6 year-old child. There's no rational reason at this point. Vaccinated and boosted people can get the grandparents sick too. What has caught me off guard these past few years is tracking it all, until I stop and really pay attention. Given the vaccines don't stop the spread, although it's great that they prevent serious illness and hospitalization, and so many are vaccinated or have natural immunity like myself and my family, why all the panic, masking, and boosting still? Why are the least vulnerable, our young children, being masked all day at school, and now mandated to take vaccines in some states? It's almost criminal. History will reveal this seemingly unavoidable folly in hindsight as a great mistake. The majority of serious illnesses and deaths are the elderly and them and others with comorbidities. There is the outlier young person who has no comorbidities, and is perfectly healthy, but it is a very, very small number. It seems a young male 24 years and younger should have the right to self-assess with their doctor on the risks of myocarditis vs. the 3.8e-5 benefits of getting vaccinated, and certainly not being mandated to be vaccinated. There is also a large number of people like myself who have had COVID, but unlike me they did not feel it enough to go get tested or treated. That will only serve to show how much more the risks are for vaccinated myocarditis. My antibodies are still sitting high a year after my infection and recovery at 116 (IgG), when > 15 is considered an indicative amount to give a positive on the test. I have not had a reinfection (that I have felt or know of), and yet I am forced to test weekly and wear a mask to keep my job. At least 10 people in a company of 150 at this location have had a noticeable infection (I refuse to call it a "break through" infection any longer, it no longer make sense). These 10 all had at least 2 shots, mainly Pfizer, and 4 had boosters! I know SARS-COV-1 from 2003 is in the family, but a different animal, however, they are still testing SARS-COV-1 recovered people from 18 years ago who still have immunity in their T-cells![1] Will we ever learn (or Fauci from his 80s AIDS/AZT fiasco [1.1] (I was in my twenties in BKLYN)to now with the COVID crisis), or is natural immunity thrown overboard for the sake of not discouraging vaccinations, which is cruel from my perspective, and now we know this will not stop the spread anyway, so I wage my natural immunity against anyone's 2 vaccines, and I spot you two more boosters ;) Yes, I know the company line is at least one vaccine and natural immunity gives you super immunity. I don't believe it outweighs the risks for me. One of the people of the 10 mentioned above had a horrible bout of COVID after 2 shots and a booster, and he's 20 years younger than me. I don't drink or smoke. I used to exercise daily (BMI 25), but I have since put on a few pounds (BMI 29) switching from manual work at 40% if the time to office work 60% of the time, to almost 95% office work now and COVID comfort food. A lot of the people under 55 that have had serious illness or died had comorbidities such as obesity and/or diabetes and others. Look for yourself on the CDC website. Download and filter by age and comorbidities or not. You will see that this is being buried. Fat shaming etc. I also read an interesting statistical study that said of the vulnerable that died, if COVID had not accelerated it, the flu or pneumonia would have, and they statistically were likely to die within 2 years of their age given their age and pre-existing comorbidities. Temper the 800,000 US deaths with that number and see how bad you think it is after doing some research. Let that sink in. Look at the UK's NHS site for number of people who died within 28 days of their first positive test for COVID-19 [2]. It's sad but their site and they way they present data is so much better than the CDC's site. We focus so much on number of cases here, and it's hard to put together nice comparisons on the CDC site without downloading the CSV data files and doing it yourself. We live with SARS-COV-1 and MERS, so let's get back to normal. America needs to address its obesity, diabetes, and other health issues if you really want to save more lives or have something to panic about. I am an American BTW. [1] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2550-z https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2550-z [1.1] https://aep.lib.rochester.edu/node/49111 https://aep.lib.rochester.edu/node/49111 [2] https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths?areaType=nation%26areaName=England#card-death_rates_within_28_days_of_positive_test_by_age_and_sex https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths?areaType=nati...