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> Reddit can fit nicely into the metaverse Why do people keep talking about the metaverse like it already exists and is a huge part of our future? It's vaporw

> Reddit can fit nicely into the metaverse Why do people keep talking about the metaverse like it already exists and is a huge part of our future? It's vaporware right now. Are we all so susceptible to marketing that we've just accepted that if Meta is going all-in on a thing it must be both real and a guaranteed win?

dustymcp 5y ago
I have 1 Friend that has var goggles, and he does not like the chat funktion it just seems like its dead in the water unless var Prices come down hard..
- alasdair_ 5y ago
  Quest is under $300 and is fantastic for what you get and is completely self-contained and portable. More importantly, Meta and Apple are both launching AR glasses next near (or maybe Q1 2023) and at that point AR will start to have its “iphone” moment where it starts our nice then suddenly everyone has one.
  - moffkalast 5y ago
    Yeah if you like ads and like all your movement being data mined. It also has the worst FoV of any headset on the market, which basically equals the amount of immersion you get out of it. You're better off with a smartphone cardboard thing or saving up for a real headset. Personally I'm waiting for the next gen ones, the current ones are all still too terrible in price to performance.
makeitdouble 5y ago
Meta has made a full announcement of vaporware, but the metaverse is specifically not Meta's property, nor do they get to define what the metaverse is/will become. In that sense, I agree with you we should ignore the marketing, and I also think we should talk about the metaverse as we talk about the web, not as some rigid concept, but more a vague idea of a thing in VR.
- shawabawa3 5y ago
  There will not be "a metaverse" or "the metaverse" They may be some competing metaverses, I doubt one will win out (I kind of doubt any will do well)
  - riffraff 5y ago
    my thought exactly. We've had virtual worlds and communities as long as we've had the internet, and the idea of carrying "stuff" from one to the other never worked out. So my bet is that there will never be The Metaverse just like there never was The Forum, The MMORPG, The MUD. We may still have useful/fun stuff in specific VR worlds, of course.
    - indigochill 5y ago
      But interestingly there is The Internet. But perhaps because that exists, there's no need for the interconnectedness promised by the other things because the internet already delivers it. Or perhaps the future holds multiple internets (especially with political regions doing their best to balkanize the legality of various uses of the internet)?
    - aahortwwy 5y ago
      There was an attempt to connect MUDs together using a protocol called InterMUD, but it never really caught on.
  - Geezus-42 5y ago
    Why wouldn't one win out? There were multiple competing "internets" and now there is the one.
  - nebula8804 5y ago
    It would be hilarious if this became the next "dropbox" comment. I'm placing my stake here just in case! :)
    - makeitdouble 5y ago
bonestamp2 5y ago
There are some people that consider various aspects of the Oculus and Vive ecosystems to be the metaverse. Some people think The Sandbox and Decentrland are metaverses. There are others, and they're all here now. So, I guess it's a matter of opinion whether you believe any of these can be considered a metaverse.
qaq 5y ago
It does exist in the form of Roblox :)
- aahortwwy 5y ago
  Roblox could be considered a metaverse, sure[0], but the metaverse implies a ubiquitousness that no offering so far has achieved. [0] And, honestly, I see Meta's play here as the Google Plus to Roblox's Facebook.
  - cblconfederate 5y ago
    > ubiquitousness that no offering so far has achieved. The internet does
- alasdair_ 5y ago
  Since we’re talking about Reddit, my take is that Roblox is Digg and Rec Room (which is VR-native and has much better tech even though it currently has lower user numbers) will end up being the “Reddit” of the space.
  - rblatz 5y ago
    You may be right. I hated how ugly and dorky Reddit was compared to digg, but then digg self destructed and now I’m on Reddit. Recroom is like that, it’s annoying it has a terrible interface, it is a giant pain to get a group together to play, the audio is janky to get working right, and then when you finally get to your game it’s almost impossible to play on the same team. Then after every match I have to spend time opening up some kind of gift that I have no use for. All the while 13 year old kids are being annoying yelling and whining. It’s a pretty rough experience right now.
yeahh8hjd 5y ago
You are being too literal. Meta Verse Self referential artistic expression Artistic abstraction of self; ones ideation, concepts; is not limited to Zoom with Mario64 heads. Extracting the idea of a web of documents into web 1… Any concept can be a metaverse. The creator outputs an abstraction arising within self. Zuckerberg has a specific thing to sell. Don’t go coming up with your own metaverse to play in.
- eloisius 5y ago
  Exactly /s
- aahortwwy 5y ago
  > Meta’s focus will be to bring the metaverse to life and help people connect, find communities and grow businesses. > The metaverse will feel like a hybrid of today’s online social experiences, sometimes expanded into three dimensions or projected into the physical world. It will let you share immersive experiences with other people even when you can’t be together — and do things together you couldn’t do in the physical world. It’s the next evolution in a long line of social technologies, and it’s ushering in a new chapter for our company. https://about.fb.com/news/2021/10/facebook-company-is-now-meta/ https://about.fb.com/news/2021/10/facebook-company-is-now-me... > In the next decade, he thinks most people will be spending time in a fully immersive, 3D version of the internet that spans not just Meta’s hardware such as the Quest, but devices made by others. He’s pushing his teams to build technology that could one day let you show up in a virtual space as a full-bodied avatar, or appear as a hologram of yourself in the real-world living room of your friend who lives across the planet. https://www.theverge.com/22749919/mark-zuckerberg-facebook-meta-company-rebrand https://www.theverge.com/22749919/mark-zuckerberg-facebook-m... You can play semantics if you want. Meta, the company, have announced that they are building a thing. That thing is what I am talking about. It is vaporware right now. It it not a guaranteed win.
namrog84 5y ago
Whenever I hear the word metaverse. I just replace it with the word "internet". Its nothing more than a way for a few companies to monetize a few extra things and become gate keepers to things that have neither on the internet. The metaverse is basically what the internet would be if it was invented today
- Terr_ 5y ago
  I think it's time to update the "cloud to butt" plugins...
  - 1_player 5y ago
    "With the metaverse, we're no longer restricted by our physical location, but we can all live in the butt." - Mark Zuckerberg
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    - wholinator2 5y ago
      What is this a reference to?
      - hundchenkatze 5y ago
        Back when cloud was the big new buzzword several browser extensions/bookmarklets were created to replace occurrences of "cloud" with "butt". 1_player's comment should have replaced both occurrences of metaverse with butt though. https://github.com/DaveRandom/cloud-to-butt-mozilla https://github.com/DaveRandom/cloud-to-butt-mozilla
- Borrible 5y ago
  > Whenever I hear the word metaverse. I just replace it with the word "internet". Does there happen to be a browser extension to automate this?
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madeofpalk 5y ago
metaverse is whatever anyone wants it to be.
Cthulhu_ 5y ago
It's a hip marketing term that caught on like Hyperloop did, suddenly every time public transit was mentioned, so was Hyperloop. But don't be fooled. It's Facebook. Don't be fooled by its rename either, it's still Facebook.
- nlh 5y ago
  1000% this. "Metaverse" is just fancy re-branding of "Facebook but with VR". They want you to buy an Oculus and go to their internet property when and if people start interacting with the internet via VR, just like you buy a phone and go to their internet property. But it's just Facebook. It's going to be an app you run (or site you visit) on whatever hardware you happen to use to connect.
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andreilys 5y ago
I suggest giving the oculus rift 2 a try. It is the farthest thing from vaporware. Besides most people use a loose definition of metaverse that includes things like gaming (Minecraft, roblox), social media, our phones, etc. which are all multi-billion dollar industries already.
- aahortwwy 5y ago
  And there's the "genius" of their rebrand. By the loose definition the metaverse already exists, so Facebook (a company focused on building software that helps connect people via the Internet) rebranded to Meta (a company focused on building software that helps connect people via... gaming, social media, phones, and... the Internet? -- all of which they were already doing). If what you're setting out to build already exists, you can't fail. But Mark Zuckerberg doesn't use the loose definition, as I mentioned in another comment. He talks about quite a clear vision of a world in which VR/AR technologies have permeated society and are part of everyone's everyday lives. That vision doesn't exist yet, it's a long way from being realized, and yet people (like the commenter I originally responded to) keep referencing it as if it already exists, is successful, and important. And it's none of those three things yet.

dustymcp 5y ago

I have 1 Friend that has var goggles, and he does not like the chat funktion it just seems like its dead in the water unless var Prices come down hard..

alasdair_ 5y ago
Quest is under $300 and is fantastic for what you get and is completely self-contained and portable. More importantly, Meta and Apple are both launching AR glasses next near (or maybe Q1 2023) and at that point AR will start to have its “iphone” moment where it starts our nice then suddenly everyone has one.
- moffkalast 5y ago
  Yeah if you like ads and like all your movement being data mined. It also has the worst FoV of any headset on the market, which basically equals the amount of immersion you get out of it. You're better off with a smartphone cardboard thing or saving up for a real headset. Personally I'm waiting for the next gen ones, the current ones are all still too terrible in price to performance.

makeitdouble 5y ago

Meta has made a full announcement of vaporware, but the metaverse is specifically not Meta's property, nor do they get to define what the metaverse is/will become. In that sense, I agree with you we should ignore the marketing, and I also think we should talk about the metaverse as we talk about the web, not as some rigid concept, but more a vague idea of a thing in VR.

shawabawa3 5y ago
There will not be "a metaverse" or "the metaverse" They may be some competing metaverses, I doubt one will win out (I kind of doubt any will do well)
- riffraff 5y ago
  my thought exactly. We've had virtual worlds and communities as long as we've had the internet, and the idea of carrying "stuff" from one to the other never worked out. So my bet is that there will never be The Metaverse just like there never was The Forum, The MMORPG, The MUD. We may still have useful/fun stuff in specific VR worlds, of course.
  - indigochill 5y ago
    But interestingly there is The Internet. But perhaps because that exists, there's no need for the interconnectedness promised by the other things because the internet already delivers it. Or perhaps the future holds multiple internets (especially with political regions doing their best to balkanize the legality of various uses of the internet)?
  - aahortwwy 5y ago
    There was an attempt to connect MUDs together using a protocol called InterMUD, but it never really caught on.
- Geezus-42 5y ago
  Why wouldn't one win out? There were multiple competing "internets" and now there is the one.
- nebula8804 5y ago
  It would be hilarious if this became the next "dropbox" comment. I'm placing my stake here just in case! :)
  - makeitdouble 5y ago

bonestamp2 5y ago

There are some people that consider various aspects of the Oculus and Vive ecosystems to be the metaverse. Some people think The Sandbox and Decentrland are metaverses. There are others, and they're all here now. So, I guess it's a matter of opinion whether you believe any of these can be considered a metaverse.

qaq 5y ago

It does exist in the form of Roblox :)

aahortwwy 5y ago
Roblox could be considered a metaverse, sure[0], but the metaverse implies a ubiquitousness that no offering so far has achieved. [0] And, honestly, I see Meta's play here as the Google Plus to Roblox's Facebook.
- cblconfederate 5y ago
  > ubiquitousness that no offering so far has achieved. The internet does
alasdair_ 5y ago
Since we’re talking about Reddit, my take is that Roblox is Digg and Rec Room (which is VR-native and has much better tech even though it currently has lower user numbers) will end up being the “Reddit” of the space.
- rblatz 5y ago
  You may be right. I hated how ugly and dorky Reddit was compared to digg, but then digg self destructed and now I’m on Reddit. Recroom is like that, it’s annoying it has a terrible interface, it is a giant pain to get a group together to play, the audio is janky to get working right, and then when you finally get to your game it’s almost impossible to play on the same team. Then after every match I have to spend time opening up some kind of gift that I have no use for. All the while 13 year old kids are being annoying yelling and whining. It’s a pretty rough experience right now.

yeahh8hjd 5y ago

You are being too literal. Meta Verse Self referential artistic expression Artistic abstraction of self; ones ideation, concepts; is not limited to Zoom with Mario64 heads. Extracting the idea of a web of documents into web 1… Any concept can be a metaverse. The creator outputs an abstraction arising within self. Zuckerberg has a specific thing to sell. Don’t go coming up with your own metaverse to play in.

eloisius 5y ago
Exactly /s
aahortwwy 5y ago
> Meta’s focus will be to bring the metaverse to life and help people connect, find communities and grow businesses. > The metaverse will feel like a hybrid of today’s online social experiences, sometimes expanded into three dimensions or projected into the physical world. It will let you share immersive experiences with other people even when you can’t be together — and do things together you couldn’t do in the physical world. It’s the next evolution in a long line of social technologies, and it’s ushering in a new chapter for our company. https://about.fb.com/news/2021/10/facebook-company-is-now-meta/ https://about.fb.com/news/2021/10/facebook-company-is-now-me... > In the next decade, he thinks most people will be spending time in a fully immersive, 3D version of the internet that spans not just Meta’s hardware such as the Quest, but devices made by others. He’s pushing his teams to build technology that could one day let you show up in a virtual space as a full-bodied avatar, or appear as a hologram of yourself in the real-world living room of your friend who lives across the planet. https://www.theverge.com/22749919/mark-zuckerberg-facebook-meta-company-rebrand https://www.theverge.com/22749919/mark-zuckerberg-facebook-m... You can play semantics if you want. Meta, the company, have announced that they are building a thing. That thing is what I am talking about. It is vaporware right now. It it not a guaranteed win.

namrog84 5y ago

Whenever I hear the word metaverse. I just replace it with the word "internet". Its nothing more than a way for a few companies to monetize a few extra things and become gate keepers to things that have neither on the internet. The metaverse is basically what the internet would be if it was invented today

Terr_ 5y ago
I think it's time to update the "cloud to butt" plugins...
- 1_player 5y ago
  "With the metaverse, we're no longer restricted by our physical location, but we can all live in the butt." - Mark Zuckerberg
  - deleted 5y ago
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  - wholinator2 5y ago
    What is this a reference to?
    - hundchenkatze 5y ago
      Back when cloud was the big new buzzword several browser extensions/bookmarklets were created to replace occurrences of "cloud" with "butt". 1_player's comment should have replaced both occurrences of metaverse with butt though. https://github.com/DaveRandom/cloud-to-butt-mozilla https://github.com/DaveRandom/cloud-to-butt-mozilla
Borrible 5y ago
> Whenever I hear the word metaverse. I just replace it with the word "internet". Does there happen to be a browser extension to automate this?
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madeofpalk 5y ago

metaverse is whatever anyone wants it to be.

Cthulhu_ 5y ago

It's a hip marketing term that caught on like Hyperloop did, suddenly every time public transit was mentioned, so was Hyperloop. But don't be fooled. It's Facebook. Don't be fooled by its rename either, it's still Facebook.

nlh 5y ago
1000% this. "Metaverse" is just fancy re-branding of "Facebook but with VR". They want you to buy an Oculus and go to their internet property when and if people start interacting with the internet via VR, just like you buy a phone and go to their internet property. But it's just Facebook. It's going to be an app you run (or site you visit) on whatever hardware you happen to use to connect.

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andreilys 5y ago

I suggest giving the oculus rift 2 a try. It is the farthest thing from vaporware. Besides most people use a loose definition of metaverse that includes things like gaming (Minecraft, roblox), social media, our phones, etc. which are all multi-billion dollar industries already.

aahortwwy 5y ago
And there's the "genius" of their rebrand. By the loose definition the metaverse already exists, so Facebook (a company focused on building software that helps connect people via the Internet) rebranded to Meta (a company focused on building software that helps connect people via... gaming, social media, phones, and... the Internet? -- all of which they were already doing). If what you're setting out to build already exists, you can't fail. But Mark Zuckerberg doesn't use the loose definition, as I mentioned in another comment. He talks about quite a clear vision of a world in which VR/AR technologies have permeated society and are part of everyone's everyday lives. That vision doesn't exist yet, it's a long way from being realized, and yet people (like the commenter I originally responded to) keep referencing it as if it already exists, is successful, and important. And it's none of those three things yet.