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Then why do they allow competitors to do it? They should be facing the same issues.

tux3 5y ago
If you think they should do more, then the first step can't be criticized on the grounds that it's not the last step. Presumably, more will come.
w1nk 5y ago
I have to imagine the answer lies in the interpretation of the rules you quoted in your post: My app is in alignment with it... I've made sure since day one that a "reasonably suspicious" notification is present when the app is monitoring. Could you elaborate on what your version of this reasonably suspicious notification compared to your competitors actually is?
- camhart 5y ago
  The original version of the app I submitted for notarization had the Truple logo, with a red dot/circle to indicate recording and make it more suspicious. The redesign I did dropped the red dot/circle because competitors weren't being forced to do anything like that. Competitors just use their logo. And their logo's aren't any more/less suspicious than Truple's. If you click on the notification on MacOS, a menu pops up indicating the device is being monitored and includes instructions for how to uninstall the app though if you do an alert is sent indicating that you did. It's convenient to think I've done something wrong here... but I've puzzled over this for 2.5 years, and if I have done something wrong, the least Apple could do is let me know so I can correct it.
  - verall 5y ago
    > The original version of the app I submitted for notarization had the Truple logo, with a red dot/circle to indicate recording and make it more suspicious. The redesign I did dropped the red dot/circle because competitors weren't being forced to do anything like that. Doesn't this seem kind of damning? Like you admit the recording dot is suspicious, so you remove it because why? Are you targeting anyone that isn't fully aware of what the truple notification means, maybe because they are a child or otherwise mentally compromised?
    - camhart 5y ago
      Put on the hat of the end user. Keep in mind the end user is a child, or someone struggling with an online addiction/behavior they want to quit. They welcome the app, but those issues are somewhat personal. There's a balancing act I'm trying to walk here, of being reasonably suspicious while also not publishing for everyone who peeks over their shoulder that they're using an app like this. Again, if the red dot matters, I'll add it back.
      - tptacek 5y ago
        Apple's reasonable concern here might be that the end user isn't a child, or even someone who consents to have the application running.
      - p1necone 5y ago
        You seem to be sticking a hood over your eyes and pretending that your app is only used for the most morally sound use cases you can think of. You've written something that enables abusive relationships and helicopter parenting and you should be ashamed.
        throw10920 5y ago
        Please keep this kind of emotionally-manipulative, anti-intellectual flamebait off of HN.
      - ashtonkem 5y ago
        > Put on the hat of the end user. Keep in mind the end user is a child, or someone struggling with an online addiction/behavior they want to quit. They welcome the app, but those issues are somewhat personal. This sure as hell reads to me like you’re trying to hide the fact that you’re recording vulnerable user’s screens from them.
        camhart 5y ago
        You can read into it however you want. It wasn't my intention.
tptacek 5y ago
What's your hypothesis about why they're not letting you do something? Do they just not like you? That seems unlikely.
- chris_wot 5y ago
  And yet, they don't explain what the issues are. A bit hard for him to tell what the issue is if they don't say what the issues are. Sure seems they don't like him to me.

tux3 5y ago

If you think they should do more, then the first step can't be criticized on the grounds that it's not the last step. Presumably, more will come.

w1nk 5y ago

I have to imagine the answer lies in the interpretation of the rules you quoted in your post: My app is in alignment with it... I've made sure since day one that a "reasonably suspicious" notification is present when the app is monitoring. Could you elaborate on what your version of this reasonably suspicious notification compared to your competitors actually is?

camhart 5y ago
The original version of the app I submitted for notarization had the Truple logo, with a red dot/circle to indicate recording and make it more suspicious. The redesign I did dropped the red dot/circle because competitors weren't being forced to do anything like that. Competitors just use their logo. And their logo's aren't any more/less suspicious than Truple's. If you click on the notification on MacOS, a menu pops up indicating the device is being monitored and includes instructions for how to uninstall the app though if you do an alert is sent indicating that you did. It's convenient to think I've done something wrong here... but I've puzzled over this for 2.5 years, and if I have done something wrong, the least Apple could do is let me know so I can correct it.
- verall 5y ago
  > The original version of the app I submitted for notarization had the Truple logo, with a red dot/circle to indicate recording and make it more suspicious. The redesign I did dropped the red dot/circle because competitors weren't being forced to do anything like that. Doesn't this seem kind of damning? Like you admit the recording dot is suspicious, so you remove it because why? Are you targeting anyone that isn't fully aware of what the truple notification means, maybe because they are a child or otherwise mentally compromised?
  - camhart 5y ago
    Put on the hat of the end user. Keep in mind the end user is a child, or someone struggling with an online addiction/behavior they want to quit. They welcome the app, but those issues are somewhat personal. There's a balancing act I'm trying to walk here, of being reasonably suspicious while also not publishing for everyone who peeks over their shoulder that they're using an app like this. Again, if the red dot matters, I'll add it back.
    - tptacek 5y ago
      Apple's reasonable concern here might be that the end user isn't a child, or even someone who consents to have the application running.
    - p1necone 5y ago
      You seem to be sticking a hood over your eyes and pretending that your app is only used for the most morally sound use cases you can think of. You've written something that enables abusive relationships and helicopter parenting and you should be ashamed.
      - throw10920 5y ago
        Please keep this kind of emotionally-manipulative, anti-intellectual flamebait off of HN.
    - ashtonkem 5y ago
      > Put on the hat of the end user. Keep in mind the end user is a child, or someone struggling with an online addiction/behavior they want to quit. They welcome the app, but those issues are somewhat personal. This sure as hell reads to me like you’re trying to hide the fact that you’re recording vulnerable user’s screens from them.
      - camhart 5y ago
        You can read into it however you want. It wasn't my intention.

tptacek 5y ago

What's your hypothesis about why they're not letting you do something? Do they just not like you? That seems unlikely.

chris_wot 5y ago
And yet, they don't explain what the issues are. A bit hard for him to tell what the issue is if they don't say what the issues are. Sure seems they don't like him to me.