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Not saying you're right or wrong but please provide supporting evidence for the claims you've made. It sounds very armchair espionage to me...

by palmetieri2000 5y ago

lazlee 5y ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Big_(police_procedure) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Big_(police_procedure)
- jldl805 5y ago
  Why are the conspiracy theorists "big final pieces of evidence" always unrelated wikipedia articles? It's just like you guys are admitting you don't know how to evaluate sources for credibility and you don't even know it.
  - palmetieri2000 5y ago
    To be fair that wasn't the user I asked for sources, we should see if they have something still. Also that wiki link was fairly interesting, particularly the Hart case in 2014 in which the Canadian Supreme Court found that using the confession drawn from the Mr. Big technique was inadmissible (although their was a later exception in a relation to a violent case that already had supporting evidence). To me, this would actually support the point the others were making a bit at least... If we can believe that this would have been more common prior to 2014, at least in Canada then MAYBE that could indicate that it was/is commonplace in the US which AFAIK does not have a ruling like in the Hart case.
mardifoufs 5y ago
There you go, the FBI is known for it's entrapment plots that are very...borderline to say the least. Motherjones had a small series covering how that https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/07/fbi-terrorist-informants/ https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/07/fbi-terrorist-i... https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/terror-factory-fbi-trevor-aaronson-book/ https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/terror-factory-... Not saying this has anything to do with JFK, but the comment you replied to got the part about the FBI right.
- palmetieri2000 5y ago
  Man... that shit is wild. I'm from a country with a different legal system to the US and I cant help but feel like this would be a form of entrapment here(probably not using the term right from a legal perspective). Is the logic in the US that the individual could/should refuse to participate at each and every step? Ensuring they aren't 'entrapped' despite being presented with a manufactured scenario designed to entice crime because they voluntarily preceded? Especially in the second link where the individual was described as 'dim', if we replace the undercover FBI agent with say, a supportive non-radical religious figure in the Mosque, does this young man go on to try to make a bomb? Really interesting links thanks!
tehjoker 5y ago
" FBI entrapped suspects in almost all high-profile terrorism cases in US " https://www.rt.com/usa/174484-hrw-fbi-sting-entrapment/ https://www.rt.com/usa/174484-hrw-fbi-sting-entrapment/
- palmetieri2000 5y ago
  Wow! Really interesting and pretty condemning for the extensive modern use in the US, I just wrote a comment about if some of these stings would or should be considered entrapment replying to another user so I wont repeat myself but thanks for that.

Not saying you're right or wrong but please provide supporting evidence for the claims you've made. It sounds very armchair espionage to me...

lazlee 5y ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Big_(police_procedure) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Big_(police_procedure)

jldl805 5y ago
Why are the conspiracy theorists "big final pieces of evidence" always unrelated wikipedia articles? It's just like you guys are admitting you don't know how to evaluate sources for credibility and you don't even know it.
- palmetieri2000 5y ago
  To be fair that wasn't the user I asked for sources, we should see if they have something still. Also that wiki link was fairly interesting, particularly the Hart case in 2014 in which the Canadian Supreme Court found that using the confession drawn from the Mr. Big technique was inadmissible (although their was a later exception in a relation to a violent case that already had supporting evidence). To me, this would actually support the point the others were making a bit at least... If we can believe that this would have been more common prior to 2014, at least in Canada then MAYBE that could indicate that it was/is commonplace in the US which AFAIK does not have a ruling like in the Hart case.

mardifoufs 5y ago

There you go, the FBI is known for it's entrapment plots that are very...borderline to say the least. Motherjones had a small series covering how that https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/07/fbi-terrorist-informants/ https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/07/fbi-terrorist-i... https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/terror-factory-fbi-trevor-aaronson-book/ https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/terror-factory-... Not saying this has anything to do with JFK, but the comment you replied to got the part about the FBI right.

palmetieri2000 5y ago
Man... that shit is wild. I'm from a country with a different legal system to the US and I cant help but feel like this would be a form of entrapment here(probably not using the term right from a legal perspective). Is the logic in the US that the individual could/should refuse to participate at each and every step? Ensuring they aren't 'entrapped' despite being presented with a manufactured scenario designed to entice crime because they voluntarily preceded? Especially in the second link where the individual was described as 'dim', if we replace the undercover FBI agent with say, a supportive non-radical religious figure in the Mosque, does this young man go on to try to make a bomb? Really interesting links thanks!

tehjoker 5y ago

" FBI entrapped suspects in almost all high-profile terrorism cases in US " https://www.rt.com/usa/174484-hrw-fbi-sting-entrapment/ https://www.rt.com/usa/174484-hrw-fbi-sting-entrapment/

palmetieri2000 5y ago
Wow! Really interesting and pretty condemning for the extensive modern use in the US, I just wrote a comment about if some of these stings would or should be considered entrapment replying to another user so I wont repeat myself but thanks for that.