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And your phone is what? If it’s an Android it’s probable got something similar in place. On an iPhone all you must to use disable iCloud sync to avoid CSAM

bubblethink 5y ago
This is such a silly strawman. First, it is not related to the parent's point at all. Second, it is perfectly possible to run AOSP based OSes not tied to google.
- donohoe 5y ago
  I disagree. >> First, it is not related to the parent's point at all The post was about switching away computers. My (badly implied) point was, a lot of the effort is wasted unless if you still use an Apple iPhone... If you skip using an iPhone, then fine, but the other options out there are likely worse. >> Second, it is perfectly possible to run AOSP based OSes not tied to google You can build your own Google-free etc version but again most people won't because of the effort and the need to redo for updates again and again. The Parent post author probably has the means to do it, but it's another endless task they have to stay on. All other options (to my limited knowledge - plz share if you know more) mean compromises in apps, and functionality - unless you're happy to spend hours each wee/month troubleshooting and setting up workaround and working with specific compatible hardware. It can be done. But how much of your life will you want to spend on that? Reading other comments maybe it is a solved problem now - it hadn't been last time I tried. If I assumed too much from the parent post then sorry.
  - bigyellow 5y ago
    LineageOS has near-nightly binary releases, you don't need to build or "redo" anything to keep up to date, other than a 5-10 minute update over adb about once a week.
  - bubblethink 5y ago
    I agree that most of this requires conscious effort. I think I was needlessly harsh too. My point was that if someone is making the conscious effort of changing their devices/OSes etc., then they have shown the interest and ability, and at least for them, there are reasonable options (i.e., not just theoretical ones).
SXX 5y ago
Android have plenty of open source distributions without such features. They don't save you from baseband backdoor, but at least OS itself isn't your enemy.
nbzso 5y ago
Basic phone and iPhone SE (the old version) for banking apps. Never used iCloud. All my backups are done locally. It is not only about CSAM. CSAM was the last straw. Before this was that: echo 127.0.0.1 ocsp.apple.com | sudo tee -a /etc/hosts
- threeseed 5y ago
  In your situation then CSAM scanning would never have been an issue. It only applies when you have iCloud Photo Library enabled.
  - nbzso 5y ago
    It is not about the implementation either. It is about hostile attack towards user privacy after years of advertising: What Happens on your iPhone, stays on your iPhone. Privacy is King. Privacy. That's iPhone.
    - nicce 5y ago
      The most people have misunderstood how this system actually worked. I read every paper carefully, and this was very innovative system to protect your privacy IF we compare to existing CSAM solutions. Of course the best option is to not scan at all, but that is not really option. Only those pictures which were about to be uploaded iCloud, would have been scanned, and Apple would get information about image contents only if it is flagged. The phone is blackbox and it scans your files anyway all the time, sending metadata to Apple e.g. because of the spotlight feature and photo albums, or simply syncing your data to cloud. There is massive AI behind that spotlight feature. Nothing would have changed, just the different kind of information would have been flagged, but this time encrypted. The major improvement was E2EE like system for Photos. Currently they are not E2E encrypted in Cloud. They are plaintext for Apple. iOS 15 beta had also encryption for backups, but it never reached public reach after CSAM was delayed. So we lost yet another feature which would have increased the privacy. "But it happens in my device", is not really valid argument since most people don't understand what happens in their devices in the first hand. Even AV engines sends all your data to cloud, and you can't opt out in most of the cases and it is for every file.
fsflover 5y ago
How about GNU/Linux phones, Librem 5 and Pinephone? Not well polished yet but running desktop OS with all its possibilities.
- mattl 5y ago
  Those phones are in no way usable as day to day phones.

bubblethink 5y ago

This is such a silly strawman. First, it is not related to the parent's point at all. Second, it is perfectly possible to run AOSP based OSes not tied to google.

donohoe 5y ago
I disagree. >> First, it is not related to the parent's point at all The post was about switching away computers. My (badly implied) point was, a lot of the effort is wasted unless if you still use an Apple iPhone... If you skip using an iPhone, then fine, but the other options out there are likely worse. >> Second, it is perfectly possible to run AOSP based OSes not tied to google You can build your own Google-free etc version but again most people won't because of the effort and the need to redo for updates again and again. The Parent post author probably has the means to do it, but it's another endless task they have to stay on. All other options (to my limited knowledge - plz share if you know more) mean compromises in apps, and functionality - unless you're happy to spend hours each wee/month troubleshooting and setting up workaround and working with specific compatible hardware. It can be done. But how much of your life will you want to spend on that? Reading other comments maybe it is a solved problem now - it hadn't been last time I tried. If I assumed too much from the parent post then sorry.
- bigyellow 5y ago
  LineageOS has near-nightly binary releases, you don't need to build or "redo" anything to keep up to date, other than a 5-10 minute update over adb about once a week.
- bubblethink 5y ago
  I agree that most of this requires conscious effort. I think I was needlessly harsh too. My point was that if someone is making the conscious effort of changing their devices/OSes etc., then they have shown the interest and ability, and at least for them, there are reasonable options (i.e., not just theoretical ones).

SXX 5y ago

Android have plenty of open source distributions without such features. They don't save you from baseband backdoor, but at least OS itself isn't your enemy.

nbzso 5y ago

Basic phone and iPhone SE (the old version) for banking apps. Never used iCloud. All my backups are done locally. It is not only about CSAM. CSAM was the last straw. Before this was that: echo 127.0.0.1 ocsp.apple.com | sudo tee -a /etc/hosts

threeseed 5y ago
In your situation then CSAM scanning would never have been an issue. It only applies when you have iCloud Photo Library enabled.
- nbzso 5y ago
  It is not about the implementation either. It is about hostile attack towards user privacy after years of advertising: What Happens on your iPhone, stays on your iPhone. Privacy is King. Privacy. That's iPhone.
  - nicce 5y ago
    The most people have misunderstood how this system actually worked. I read every paper carefully, and this was very innovative system to protect your privacy IF we compare to existing CSAM solutions. Of course the best option is to not scan at all, but that is not really option. Only those pictures which were about to be uploaded iCloud, would have been scanned, and Apple would get information about image contents only if it is flagged. The phone is blackbox and it scans your files anyway all the time, sending metadata to Apple e.g. because of the spotlight feature and photo albums, or simply syncing your data to cloud. There is massive AI behind that spotlight feature. Nothing would have changed, just the different kind of information would have been flagged, but this time encrypted. The major improvement was E2EE like system for Photos. Currently they are not E2E encrypted in Cloud. They are plaintext for Apple. iOS 15 beta had also encryption for backups, but it never reached public reach after CSAM was delayed. So we lost yet another feature which would have increased the privacy. "But it happens in my device", is not really valid argument since most people don't understand what happens in their devices in the first hand. Even AV engines sends all your data to cloud, and you can't opt out in most of the cases and it is for every file.

fsflover 5y ago

How about GNU/Linux phones, Librem 5 and Pinephone? Not well polished yet but running desktop OS with all its possibilities.

mattl 5y ago
Those phones are in no way usable as day to day phones.