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The USA stole tech from the British Empire when the US was trying to build itself up. This is just the natural order of things, and I'm very anti-China and ver

The USA stole tech from the British Empire when the US was trying to build itself up. This is just the natural order of things, and I'm very anti-China and very pro-Taiwan.

Retric 5y ago
Industrial espionage is different from ignoring IP laws. I would be fine with China doing away with IP as a concept, but that’s not what their doing. I don’t support the Chinese government due to their active genocide along with the horrific subjugation of the population, but it’s a judgement on a case by case basis.
refurb 5y ago
How much media do you see around shitting on India for their IP stance?
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  A lot, especially in pharma. I expect if their economy was anywhere near China it would be even more.
adventured 5y ago
> The USA stole tech from the British Empire when the US was trying to build itself up. The US contributed as much new, prominent technology to the industrial revolution as any other nation. A quick trip down the list of prominent US inventions of the era nicely demonstrates that. There's no foundation to claim that the US stole more technology than Britain did going the other direction. It's a Reddit-knowledge bumper sticker claim that is almost exclusively utilized in threads like this one, and is never substantially supported in discussion (because it's exceptionally difficult to prove that US technology theft was meaningfully out of line with what eg major European economic powers were doing during the industrial revolution).
- szhsh 5y ago
  China has contributed a huge amount of technological development as well. Just look at Huawei's leading role in developing 5G. China didn't care about IP law 30 years ago, but it does now. Yet when Westerners discuss this issue, they usually talk as if we were still in 1990 or 2000, when China was the Wild West of IP. In 2021, that's no longer the case. For a developing country, China actually has pretty strong IP laws and enforcement. There's just as much IP litigation in China as there is in the US, and foreign companies have a pretty good success rate in Chinese IP courts.
  - coupdejarnac 5y ago
    I'd love to read some case studies where Chinese courts uphold the IP rights of foreign companies.
    - szhsh 5y ago
      In the first half of 2019, foreign companies won 68% of their cases in the Beijing IP court.[0] Foreign companies are much more often plaintiffs than defendants, though the balance is supposedly shifting (Chinese companies are becoming more assertive about their own IP rights). An example: John Deere has won judgments against a bunch of Chinese companies that used similar names to it.[1] 0. https://www.ccpit-patent.com.cn/node/11255 https://www.ccpit-patent.com.cn/node/11255 1. https://www.kwm.com/en/cn/knowledge/insights/final-judgment-of-the-first-civil-case-of-renowned-trademark-on-similar-commodities-20171220 https://www.kwm.com/en/cn/knowledge/insights/final-judgment-...
      - coupdejarnac 5y ago
        Thanks. I'd be curious to know about the context of the cases of foreign companies winning IP lawsuits in China.
- bettysdiagnose 5y ago
  The fact is that the US industrial revolution began with an act of industrial espionage against the UK. That the US did end up contributing to the industrial revolution is neither here nor there, as it's also true that China is contributing meaningfully to the technological advancement of humanity now as well. This is a standard case of one rising power coming up agains the incumbent. They'll do what they have to do to catch up, just as you did what you had to do ~150 years ago. Saying that, I hope China isn't ultimately successful due to their total disregard for human rights, but getting all bent out of shape over this trade secrets stuff is silly.
thereddaikon 5y ago
The US invented the modern concept of intellectual property law. It didn't exist beforehand so its inaccurate and disingenuous to claim that they stole anything from anyone.
- bettysdiagnose 5y ago
  OK so they pulled up the drawbridge behind them once they were in a good position. Masterfully done...

The USA stole tech from the British Empire when the US was trying to build itself up. This is just the natural order of things, and I'm very anti-China and very pro-Taiwan.

Retric 5y ago

Industrial espionage is different from ignoring IP laws. I would be fine with China doing away with IP as a concept, but that’s not what their doing. I don’t support the Chinese government due to their active genocide along with the horrific subjugation of the population, but it’s a judgement on a case by case basis.

refurb 5y ago

How much media do you see around shitting on India for their IP stance?

sudosysgen 5y ago
A lot, especially in pharma. I expect if their economy was anywhere near China it would be even more.

adventured 5y ago

> The USA stole tech from the British Empire when the US was trying to build itself up. The US contributed as much new, prominent technology to the industrial revolution as any other nation. A quick trip down the list of prominent US inventions of the era nicely demonstrates that. There's no foundation to claim that the US stole more technology than Britain did going the other direction. It's a Reddit-knowledge bumper sticker claim that is almost exclusively utilized in threads like this one, and is never substantially supported in discussion (because it's exceptionally difficult to prove that US technology theft was meaningfully out of line with what eg major European economic powers were doing during the industrial revolution).

szhsh 5y ago
China has contributed a huge amount of technological development as well. Just look at Huawei's leading role in developing 5G. China didn't care about IP law 30 years ago, but it does now. Yet when Westerners discuss this issue, they usually talk as if we were still in 1990 or 2000, when China was the Wild West of IP. In 2021, that's no longer the case. For a developing country, China actually has pretty strong IP laws and enforcement. There's just as much IP litigation in China as there is in the US, and foreign companies have a pretty good success rate in Chinese IP courts.
- coupdejarnac 5y ago
  I'd love to read some case studies where Chinese courts uphold the IP rights of foreign companies.
  - szhsh 5y ago
    In the first half of 2019, foreign companies won 68% of their cases in the Beijing IP court.[0] Foreign companies are much more often plaintiffs than defendants, though the balance is supposedly shifting (Chinese companies are becoming more assertive about their own IP rights). An example: John Deere has won judgments against a bunch of Chinese companies that used similar names to it.[1] 0. https://www.ccpit-patent.com.cn/node/11255 https://www.ccpit-patent.com.cn/node/11255 1. https://www.kwm.com/en/cn/knowledge/insights/final-judgment-of-the-first-civil-case-of-renowned-trademark-on-similar-commodities-20171220 https://www.kwm.com/en/cn/knowledge/insights/final-judgment-...
    - coupdejarnac 5y ago
      Thanks. I'd be curious to know about the context of the cases of foreign companies winning IP lawsuits in China.
bettysdiagnose 5y ago
The fact is that the US industrial revolution began with an act of industrial espionage against the UK. That the US did end up contributing to the industrial revolution is neither here nor there, as it's also true that China is contributing meaningfully to the technological advancement of humanity now as well. This is a standard case of one rising power coming up agains the incumbent. They'll do what they have to do to catch up, just as you did what you had to do ~150 years ago. Saying that, I hope China isn't ultimately successful due to their total disregard for human rights, but getting all bent out of shape over this trade secrets stuff is silly.

thereddaikon 5y ago

The US invented the modern concept of intellectual property law. It didn't exist beforehand so its inaccurate and disingenuous to claim that they stole anything from anyone.

bettysdiagnose 5y ago
OK so they pulled up the drawbridge behind them once they were in a good position. Masterfully done...