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> Cities don't want loud drunk people on sidewalks, i.e., a bar scene on the sidewalk. Public alcohol consumption is generally banned in most places in the US,
by 8f2ab37a-ed6c 5y ago
> Cities don't want loud drunk people on sidewalks, i.e., a bar scene on the sidewalk. Public alcohol consumption is generally banned in most places in the US, afaik.
Which is ironic, because if you sit down anywhere outside in SF for an hour, there's a rather high and predictable chance that a person suffering from severe mental illness and/or narcotics abuse will park themselves next to you, begin to scream unintelligible sentences, to hurl insults at the patrons and act in a generally threatening fashion. Everybody will try not to make eye contact or acknowledge their presence in any way, hoping they leave of their own accord in a few minutes. You do the usual dance of pretending that the screams aren't at all distracting to the conversation you're having, while also being barely able to pay attention to anything else, in the off chance you need to dodge something thrown in your general direction. Usually nobody gets hurt, but sometimes you get unlucky and lose the stab lottery. Life goes on.
- 908B64B197 5y agoWhat's the solution? 5'000$ per month tents for homeless residents. [0] Care to venture a guess how much of that is salaries for government employees in charge of the program? Keep in mind government can only grow in size; never shrink. [0] https://nypost.com/2021/06/26/san-francisco-run-homeless-encampment-costs-60k-per-tentsan-francisco-run-homeless-encampment-costs-60k-per-tent/ https://nypost.com/2021/06/26/san-francisco-run-homeless-enc...
- bobsmooth 5y agoReopen the asylums Reagan closed.
- haberman 5y agoI was shocked to come across this figure today: > "If the United States still hospitalized its mentally ill at the same rate it did in 1955, its mental health institutions would house almost 1.1 million people any given day. Instead, they house fewer than 50,000 patients," - Michael Shellenberger. https://twitter.com/sullydish/status/1470504513874403333 https://twitter.com/sullydish/status/1470504513874403333
- mdoms 5y ago> What's the solution? 5'000$ per month tents for homeless residents. What? No. Obviously not. What?
- Dig1t 5y agoWow this is such an accurate depiction, I have had that experience nearly exactly in SF.
- gunshai 5y agoSounds like Seattle and Portland :( no longer the cities I once loved.
- TedDoesntTalk 5y agoWhy is this common in SF but not European cities, where outdoor dining and beer gardens are even more common than SF? (In other words, there’s more opportunity but yet it’s still not common).
- spinach 5y agoPerhaps because European countries have universal healthcare.
- foobarian 5y agoYou need more than that, you need legal basis and resources to be able to load up the crazy homeless person into a van and get them committed out of sight to an institution.
- alisonkisk 5y agoOr you need an economic environment that doesn't drive people to become "crazy" and homeless.
- ehnto 5y agoHomelessness isn't in itself a mental condition, although it can lead to or be caused by it. Public healthcare can help people who are homeless maintain their sanity and health, which can get them back on their feet. It may even stop them from becoming homeless in the first place. It also gives both the individual, care services, and authorities all a point of contact to try and make sure they're being taken care of.
- adam-a 5y agoEuropean countries aren't dealing with these people by stuffing them in asylums; they have public housing programs, free healthcare, community support programs, health-workers and social-workers doing at-home visits, day-centres, and lots of other schemes to help.
- dagw 5y agoI lived several years in down town Oslo, and it had both universal healthcare and lots of visible homelessness. (although it seems to have gotten slightly better over the past 5-6 years)
- wolverine876 5y agoThis seems unrelated to the issue at hand.