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One of the big problems with Facebook, twitter, ticktok, reddit and snapchat is that its well known that they are loose in enforcing their own code of conduct.

One of the big problems with Facebook, twitter, ticktok, reddit and snapchat is that its well known that they are loose in enforcing their own code of conduct. This means that most people can be utter shits to each other and not have any repercussions. In humans terms, they are the people that have loud house parties, and lets some people shit on the rugs. Regardless of the quality of the furnishings, the equality of the bill setup, the subtle neo-georgian architecture is all for nothing, because it's known as "the shit house." Freedom of speech is important. But as a company when most of your reputation is defined by your users, hosting a forum which turns out you be a cesspool directly damages you.

Pxtl 5y ago
The problem is when you have companies that bundle multiple services under an account and ban them wholesale. Like, if I screw around on Reddit enough to get banned, I lose my Reddit account. If I screw around on YouTube enough to get banned, I lose my YouTube account, my email account, my domain name, my cloud stored files, my music, and my cellphone apps.
- deleted 5y ago
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- skinnymuch 5y ago
  I didn’t screw around on YouTube but I did get banned from YouTube for some odd reason last month. The rest of my google account is still working. You’re right though. I had this HUGE sinking feeling for the initial moments when realizing what had happened. Regretting not having moved my Gmail away yet and so on. This is still a huge risk. Maybe if whatever YouTube trip I ran over was more severe, my entire Google account would have been banned.
  - SCHiM 5y ago
    And now remember that a substantial amount of us had accounts on both services before they merged. I'd like to see them slapped hard for this in the future. Was I supposed to read multiple dictionaries worth of legalese to understand that they now unilaterally have the right to ban my (now not so important) google account if I call someone a troll on youtube?
  - Pxtl 5y ago
    That is both deeply concerning and somewhat reassuring at the same time. Best of luck with recovering your YouTube account.
- slightwinder 5y ago
  I think the problem is more that we lack laws and rulings for a fair treatment of users. A wholesome ban for a trivial reason should simply not be allowed, considering the importance of most services today. Something like an industry standard how to handle this, with proper escalation-phases should be the norm, instead of just nuking everything as it is now. You flamed someone on YouTube? Ok, now you have lost the ability to chat on YouTube, instead of losing the whole account with all your videos, the gmail-account and all your android-apps you paid for.
  - pmontra 5y ago
    Maybe sue for damages but the problem is the difference in size between any of those commpanies and any of us.
- selfhoster11 5y ago
  Sounds like you should diversify.
isaacremuant 5y ago
Your username is Kaiser. That could be a bannable offense. Now what if hackernews gets bundled with Gmail and that ultimately tied to your name and they just ban you from using a whole range of Extremely important services? If this sounds far-fetched you're probably exhibiting the near sighted "if I have nothing to hide I have nothing to fear" fallacious thinking (or coping mechanism).
- slightwinder 5y ago
  > Your username is Kaiser. That could be a bannable offense. Why? Kaiser is a royal title and widely used family name from the German sphere of culture. Who could be legitimated offended by this alone?
  - valdiorn 5y ago
    Tell that to the people who are accusing everyone of being racist for having a "master" branch in their git repo. No, I'm not being funny.
  - blueflow 5y ago
    "Kaiser" is a reference to the German Reich, and references to Nazism are not welcome in this community. -- Someone in power, making up a reason to get him banned
    - mrunkel 5y ago
      "Blueflow is a reference to toilets flushing on airplanes, and it is not welcome in this community." I mean, if we're going to make up reasons out of whole cloth, any name is fair game.
      - deleted 5y ago
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      - sandstrom 5y ago
        I'm guessing that's his point.
MrStonedOne 5y ago
Talking in all caps or using sarcasm on the forums means they can delete your email account. Maybe try reading the post and understanding the argument instead of attacking a strawman argument nobody was making.

Pxtl 5y ago

The problem is when you have companies that bundle multiple services under an account and ban them wholesale. Like, if I screw around on Reddit enough to get banned, I lose my Reddit account. If I screw around on YouTube enough to get banned, I lose my YouTube account, my email account, my domain name, my cloud stored files, my music, and my cellphone apps.

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skinnymuch 5y ago
I didn’t screw around on YouTube but I did get banned from YouTube for some odd reason last month. The rest of my google account is still working. You’re right though. I had this HUGE sinking feeling for the initial moments when realizing what had happened. Regretting not having moved my Gmail away yet and so on. This is still a huge risk. Maybe if whatever YouTube trip I ran over was more severe, my entire Google account would have been banned.
- SCHiM 5y ago
  And now remember that a substantial amount of us had accounts on both services before they merged. I'd like to see them slapped hard for this in the future. Was I supposed to read multiple dictionaries worth of legalese to understand that they now unilaterally have the right to ban my (now not so important) google account if I call someone a troll on youtube?
- Pxtl 5y ago
  That is both deeply concerning and somewhat reassuring at the same time. Best of luck with recovering your YouTube account.
slightwinder 5y ago
I think the problem is more that we lack laws and rulings for a fair treatment of users. A wholesome ban for a trivial reason should simply not be allowed, considering the importance of most services today. Something like an industry standard how to handle this, with proper escalation-phases should be the norm, instead of just nuking everything as it is now. You flamed someone on YouTube? Ok, now you have lost the ability to chat on YouTube, instead of losing the whole account with all your videos, the gmail-account and all your android-apps you paid for.
- pmontra 5y ago
  Maybe sue for damages but the problem is the difference in size between any of those commpanies and any of us.
selfhoster11 5y ago
Sounds like you should diversify.

isaacremuant 5y ago

Your username is Kaiser. That could be a bannable offense. Now what if hackernews gets bundled with Gmail and that ultimately tied to your name and they just ban you from using a whole range of Extremely important services? If this sounds far-fetched you're probably exhibiting the near sighted "if I have nothing to hide I have nothing to fear" fallacious thinking (or coping mechanism).

slightwinder 5y ago
> Your username is Kaiser. That could be a bannable offense. Why? Kaiser is a royal title and widely used family name from the German sphere of culture. Who could be legitimated offended by this alone?
- valdiorn 5y ago
  Tell that to the people who are accusing everyone of being racist for having a "master" branch in their git repo. No, I'm not being funny.
- blueflow 5y ago
  "Kaiser" is a reference to the German Reich, and references to Nazism are not welcome in this community. -- Someone in power, making up a reason to get him banned
  - mrunkel 5y ago
    "Blueflow is a reference to toilets flushing on airplanes, and it is not welcome in this community." I mean, if we're going to make up reasons out of whole cloth, any name is fair game.
    - deleted 5y ago
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    - sandstrom 5y ago
      I'm guessing that's his point.

MrStonedOne 5y ago

Talking in all caps or using sarcasm on the forums means they can delete your email account. Maybe try reading the post and understanding the argument instead of attacking a strawman argument nobody was making.