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If your e-mail provider openly states that they will ban you if you say something they don't like, nobody should use that e-mail provider. The risk is far too g

If your e-mail provider openly states that they will ban you if you say something they don't like, nobody should use that e-mail provider. The risk is far too great.

dotancohen 5y ago
Why is Vivaldi operating an email service to begin with? I do understand that Opera had an email client, but here the fields seem just too far apart to make sense.
- qybaz 5y ago
  I think Opera also had a mail and blog service, and a quite lively community. They are trying to replicate it, I assume.
- TheSpiceIsLife 5y ago
  Is there something particularly pernicious about simultaneously providing an email service and publishing a web browser?
  - pmontra 5y ago
    Google Chrome + Gmail? With hindsight maybe yes, but generally not. I'm surprised to learn that Vivaldi offers an email service. What for? I've been using Vivaldi for years for best-viewed-on-chrome websites and I didn't know they had their own email server. Maybe I knew they have an email client but I'm using Thunderbird and I'm not switching.
coffeecat 5y ago
If your email provider doesn't ban you for sending spam, phishing emails, etc, then you better switch providers. Otherwise the service will attract spammers and criminals, and your outgoing emails will end up in spam folders.
- throw10920 5y ago
  Vivaldi's code of conduct tells you not to use ALL CAPS. This is a world of difference away from sending spam, which is already prohibited by US federal law*. The two aren't remotely comparable, nor is banning for sending spam remotely close to banning for violating a CoC.
  - coffeecat 5y ago
    They also say "We will warn you for most first-time misconduct", which is presumably what would happen if you type in ALL CAPS. They have a list of offenses which may result in instant bans: "Spam, scams, harassment, pornography, copyright-infringing material, self-promotion, and/or any other language that is offensive or in violation of local or international laws". I agree that many of those items (harassment, copyright-infringing material, self-promotion, offensive language) are vague and could be abused by Vivaldi if they were out to get you for whatever reason. So it comes down to whether or not you trust Vivaldi to enforce their policy reasonably and fairly. If you don't, then you shouldn't use them. At the end of the day, any service provider needs to have some discretion on these things, because the line between malicious and legitimate usage can be too blurry to express as a precisely defined policy.
    - bagacrap 5y ago
      and we all know how clear copyright infringement is
    - newswasboring 5y ago
      They can warn people once or twice, but banning people for ALL CAPS will still remain wrong. You cant justify bad rules by saying there is a warning system.
    - totony 5y ago
      >and/or any other language that is offensive That's crazily vague
      - 5y ago

If your e-mail provider openly states that they will ban you if you say something they don't like, nobody should use that e-mail provider. The risk is far too great.

dotancohen 5y ago

Why is Vivaldi operating an email service to begin with? I do understand that Opera had an email client, but here the fields seem just too far apart to make sense.

qybaz 5y ago
I think Opera also had a mail and blog service, and a quite lively community. They are trying to replicate it, I assume.
TheSpiceIsLife 5y ago
Is there something particularly pernicious about simultaneously providing an email service and publishing a web browser?
- pmontra 5y ago
  Google Chrome + Gmail? With hindsight maybe yes, but generally not. I'm surprised to learn that Vivaldi offers an email service. What for? I've been using Vivaldi for years for best-viewed-on-chrome websites and I didn't know they had their own email server. Maybe I knew they have an email client but I'm using Thunderbird and I'm not switching.

coffeecat 5y ago

If your email provider doesn't ban you for sending spam, phishing emails, etc, then you better switch providers. Otherwise the service will attract spammers and criminals, and your outgoing emails will end up in spam folders.

throw10920 5y ago
Vivaldi's code of conduct tells you not to use ALL CAPS. This is a world of difference away from sending spam, which is already prohibited by US federal law*. The two aren't remotely comparable, nor is banning for sending spam remotely close to banning for violating a CoC.
- coffeecat 5y ago
  They also say "We will warn you for most first-time misconduct", which is presumably what would happen if you type in ALL CAPS. They have a list of offenses which may result in instant bans: "Spam, scams, harassment, pornography, copyright-infringing material, self-promotion, and/or any other language that is offensive or in violation of local or international laws". I agree that many of those items (harassment, copyright-infringing material, self-promotion, offensive language) are vague and could be abused by Vivaldi if they were out to get you for whatever reason. So it comes down to whether or not you trust Vivaldi to enforce their policy reasonably and fairly. If you don't, then you shouldn't use them. At the end of the day, any service provider needs to have some discretion on these things, because the line between malicious and legitimate usage can be too blurry to express as a precisely defined policy.
  - bagacrap 5y ago
    and we all know how clear copyright infringement is
  - newswasboring 5y ago
    They can warn people once or twice, but banning people for ALL CAPS will still remain wrong. You cant justify bad rules by saying there is a warning system.
  - totony 5y ago
    >and/or any other language that is offensive That's crazily vague
    - 5y ago