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btw I used this guide: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/apps/winui/winui3/create-your-first-winui3-app?pivots=winui3-packaged-csharp https://docs.micros

btw I used this guide: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/apps/winui/winui3/create-your-first-winui3-app?pivots=winui3-packaged-csharp https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/apps/winui/winui3/c.... 5. I wanted to build a Hello World App remember, to develop windows apps, they told me to download Visual Studio with the following features selected: workflows: Universal Windows Platform development, .NET Desktop Development, Desktop development with C++. Individual components: Windows 10 SDK (10.0.19041.0) and C++ (v142) Universal Windows Platform tools. I found all that unnecessary for Hello World but I was following a guide: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/apps/windows-app-sdk/set-up-your-development-environment?tabs=vs-2022 https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/apps/windows-app-sd... 6-. Visual Studio was too heavy for my 7th gen Intel laptop so I switched to Sublime Text to work over there because I thought all build tools was installed. I tried to run "dotnet build" but it didn't work. "msbuild" worked but i don't know to run the built app.

oblio 5y ago
Developing .NET applications using simple text editors isn't really practical. Everyone uses VS, Rider or VS Code.
- vixalien 5y ago
  I used VS Code but I still can not run my app. I can only use VS.
  - easton 5y ago
    VSCode has issues with MSBuild for all but the easiest (read: Recent .NET version, targeting the web) to build projects. It'll be difficult to get by without VS unless you're a wizard, in which case you're probably stockholm syndromed into VS anyway.
  - Tempest1981 5y ago
    VS has a debugger, which I find useful during development. Not sure if VSCode does. Edit: looks like there is an extension for C# and C++
    - dleslie 5y ago
      VSCode can debug and build apps if you have the extensions and tooling installed. Even C/C++ apps. It's actually a pretty great visual debugger on Linux for that reason.
- squeaky-clean 5y ago
  Sublime Text is on par with VSCode. I wouldn't call it a simple text editor unless VS Code also fell into that category.
  - oblio 5y ago
    Does Sublime have a .NET plugin that offers intelligent, symbol based autocompletions (i.e. intellisense)?
Const-me 5y ago
> I used this guide: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/apps/winui/winui3 https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/apps/winui/winui3 Your experience is expected for the framework. That thing is brand new, has questionable architecture, and I'm not sure MS will be able to fix. The old and stable stuff is WPF (GPU-based on top of Direct3D 9) and Windows Forms (a C# wrapper around Win32, easier to use when you don't have a professionally-made GUI design). > Visual Studio was too heavy for my 7th gen Intel laptop VS2017 runs great on my old laptop with Core-i3 CPU from 2016. It's not the CPU. Ensure you have enough RAM, the system drive is a fast SSD with enough free space, and it's not a software issue like malware or an equivalent.
- Dylan16807 5y ago
  "Ensure you have enough RAM"? If a normal recent laptop might not have enough then the blame definitely goes to VS. > Your experience is expected for the framework. This is worded like a defense? But agreeing with OP that the situation is awful?
  - Const-me 5y ago
    > If a normal recent laptop Apparently, 80% of recent laptops are engineered for web browsing and very light office workloads, even regardless on their price. Despite the CPUs are generally good, they don’t usually install enough RAM in them. It started to change recently, half of the new ones have 16GB RAM which is good for development at the moment. But that wasn’t the case in 2016 when Intel released Kaby Lake CPUs the OP has. > agreeing with OP that the situation is awful? I looked at WinUI3 not long ago, and didn’t like it too much. I wouldn’t call the situation “awful”, but it’s not good either, neither for OP nor Microsoft. The Windows GUI software I develop for living is often based on WPF. I think it’s superior despite much older: amount of bugs, quality of tools, binary size, etc. Fortunately for the OP, WPF is still supported in latest versions of .NET and Visual Studio, and is very likely to stay that way.
    - vixalien 5y ago
      I guess I could use WPF but I want to build a shiny Windows 11 app using the new controls

oblio 5y ago

Developing .NET applications using simple text editors isn't really practical. Everyone uses VS, Rider or VS Code.

vixalien 5y ago
I used VS Code but I still can not run my app. I can only use VS.
- easton 5y ago
  VSCode has issues with MSBuild for all but the easiest (read: Recent .NET version, targeting the web) to build projects. It'll be difficult to get by without VS unless you're a wizard, in which case you're probably stockholm syndromed into VS anyway.
- Tempest1981 5y ago
  VS has a debugger, which I find useful during development. Not sure if VSCode does. Edit: looks like there is an extension for C# and C++
  - dleslie 5y ago
    VSCode can debug and build apps if you have the extensions and tooling installed. Even C/C++ apps. It's actually a pretty great visual debugger on Linux for that reason.
squeaky-clean 5y ago
Sublime Text is on par with VSCode. I wouldn't call it a simple text editor unless VS Code also fell into that category.
- oblio 5y ago
  Does Sublime have a .NET plugin that offers intelligent, symbol based autocompletions (i.e. intellisense)?

Const-me 5y ago

> I used this guide: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/apps/winui/winui3 https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/apps/winui/winui3 Your experience is expected for the framework. That thing is brand new, has questionable architecture, and I'm not sure MS will be able to fix. The old and stable stuff is WPF (GPU-based on top of Direct3D 9) and Windows Forms (a C# wrapper around Win32, easier to use when you don't have a professionally-made GUI design). > Visual Studio was too heavy for my 7th gen Intel laptop VS2017 runs great on my old laptop with Core-i3 CPU from 2016. It's not the CPU. Ensure you have enough RAM, the system drive is a fast SSD with enough free space, and it's not a software issue like malware or an equivalent.

Dylan16807 5y ago
"Ensure you have enough RAM"? If a normal recent laptop might not have enough then the blame definitely goes to VS. > Your experience is expected for the framework. This is worded like a defense? But agreeing with OP that the situation is awful?
- Const-me 5y ago
  > If a normal recent laptop Apparently, 80% of recent laptops are engineered for web browsing and very light office workloads, even regardless on their price. Despite the CPUs are generally good, they don’t usually install enough RAM in them. It started to change recently, half of the new ones have 16GB RAM which is good for development at the moment. But that wasn’t the case in 2016 when Intel released Kaby Lake CPUs the OP has. > agreeing with OP that the situation is awful? I looked at WinUI3 not long ago, and didn’t like it too much. I wouldn’t call the situation “awful”, but it’s not good either, neither for OP nor Microsoft. The Windows GUI software I develop for living is often based on WPF. I think it’s superior despite much older: amount of bugs, quality of tools, binary size, etc. Fortunately for the OP, WPF is still supported in latest versions of .NET and Visual Studio, and is very likely to stay that way.
  - vixalien 5y ago
    I guess I could use WPF but I want to build a shiny Windows 11 app using the new controls