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Can you post some citation for these allegations? Maybe this is being widely reported and I've just missed it, but I'm not aware of positive evidence for the al

Can you post some citation for these allegations? Maybe this is being widely reported and I've just missed it, but I'm not aware of positive evidence for the allegations you've made.

ceejayoz 5y ago
https://twitter.com/JonathanAhl/status/1469809376894541825 https://twitter.com/JonathanAhl/status/1469809376894541825 Governor says it happened during shift change. Active tornado warning in the area at the time.
- asdfasgasdgasdg 5y ago
  I mean I get that they were at work. Shift change or whatever does not seem to make that big a difference. What's not clear to me is whether any of the workers were coerced to come in (i.e. they said they didn't want to and Amazon said they must regardless). And whether Amazon knew or ought to know that this would unacceptably increase the risk of harm (i.e. that a tornado was in fact likely and that being at work was much more dangerous than wherever else the workers might be). I would also be interested in the standard practice at other workplaces in tornado alley. St Louis area gets four tornados a year on average, plus some additional number of warnings that don't end up being tornados. Is it the standard practice of workplaces to shut down in such situations? I don't remember tornado warnings being that big of a deal when I lived there but admittedly I was a dumb college kid at the time so what did I know. I guess my point is that allegations of wrongdoing would seem to be very slightly jumping the gun in this situation. Plays well to a certain audience but there will be plenty of time for finger pointing once we know more.
  - syshum 5y ago
    >>I would also be interested in the standard practice at other workplaces in tornado alley For my Employer, in a high tornado state.. Watch: Monitor but no change in business Warning: Equipment is shut down, employee move to interior rooms approved as "shelters" (i.e no windows, normally slightly reinforced, etc), until the warning is cleared, or confirmation of the tornado's path as no chance of hitting facility. I have seen other ask the question of "why was the facility open during the warning", questions like that show an extreme ignorance of how tornado's work, and warnings are issued, Warnings are normally short lived events not hours or days long. Warnings last like 15-30mins... Another problem with warnings is many of them have no actual tornado attached to them. It is clear a large amount of the user base has never lived in a high tornado state, I have my entire life.
    - dave78 5y ago
      I also live in a tornado-prone state and agree with all of this. In my experience, nothing at all shuts down in the event of a tornado watch - everything is business as usual (schools, businesses, retail, etc.). Outdoor activities might be cancelled, but even that wouldn't be a given. As said, tornado warnings are short-lived and you just shelter in place wherever you happen to be. I've been crammed in a bathroom with 30-40 other people at my cushy 9-5 office job many times due to tornado warnings. The thought has never even crossed my mind about not going into work during a tornado watch. It's mind-boggling how many people are spouting away here who clearly have no understanding of how tornados work. Didn't anyone ever watch Twister?
- bombcar 5y ago
  Active tornado warnings happen here all the time - most people ignore the sirens and keep wandering around. Now if the warehouse didn’t have designated tornado shelters …
thr0wawayf00 5y ago
Not specific to this situation, but workers were pissed when Amazon expected them to come in during Hurricane Ida, resulting in 14 deaths, so it's not out of the realm of possibility here. https://gizmodo.com/new-york-amazon-employees-had-to-work-during-deadly-flo-1847606546 https://gizmodo.com/new-york-amazon-employees-had-to-work-du...
- asdfasgasdgasdg 5y ago
  14 people in total died from Ida-related storms in the NY area. To my understanding based on reading neighborhood group fb posts, mostly people with compromised mobility who were unable to exit flooded apartments. I don't believe any Amazon workers were harmed or killed.
- JCM9 5y ago
  The deaths during Ida had nothing to do with Amazon or Amazon workers. There’s a story about illegal basement apartments that came out of that, but trying to link this to Amazon is goofy.
- seanmcdirmid 5y ago
  You should learn to read titles better or actually read the article a bit before making conclusions like this. I know it’s difficult, media will often use adjacency to imply something just as a form of click bate, but the reality is much less exciting. In this case, the deaths were not related to Amazon, just Amazon not closing down when deaths were occurring in the area.
genocidicbunny 5y ago
There were tornado warnings issued for the area. The weather was getting bad. I am not saying these workers were directly coerced into coming in, but I think given the choice, anyone not in some way forced to come in to work would avoid coming in to work when there's a tornado warning for the area. The simple fact that these people came into work leads me to think that one of three things is at play -- ignorance, stupidity, or coercion. So sure, there may be some people who worked at that warehouse who just moved to the area and weren't familiar with tornadoes, tornado warnings and inclement weather. Some may have just completely ignored the danger. But I think the majority felt that they had to still show up to work or risk losing their job. And despite what r/antiwork would have you believe about jobs being plentiful, in some areas they just aren't. Losing a job at the only major employer in the area can spell disaster.

Can you post some citation for these allegations? Maybe this is being widely reported and I've just missed it, but I'm not aware of positive evidence for the allegations you've made.

ceejayoz 5y ago

https://twitter.com/JonathanAhl/status/1469809376894541825 https://twitter.com/JonathanAhl/status/1469809376894541825 Governor says it happened during shift change. Active tornado warning in the area at the time.

asdfasgasdgasdg 5y ago
I mean I get that they were at work. Shift change or whatever does not seem to make that big a difference. What's not clear to me is whether any of the workers were coerced to come in (i.e. they said they didn't want to and Amazon said they must regardless). And whether Amazon knew or ought to know that this would unacceptably increase the risk of harm (i.e. that a tornado was in fact likely and that being at work was much more dangerous than wherever else the workers might be). I would also be interested in the standard practice at other workplaces in tornado alley. St Louis area gets four tornados a year on average, plus some additional number of warnings that don't end up being tornados. Is it the standard practice of workplaces to shut down in such situations? I don't remember tornado warnings being that big of a deal when I lived there but admittedly I was a dumb college kid at the time so what did I know. I guess my point is that allegations of wrongdoing would seem to be very slightly jumping the gun in this situation. Plays well to a certain audience but there will be plenty of time for finger pointing once we know more.
- syshum 5y ago
  >>I would also be interested in the standard practice at other workplaces in tornado alley For my Employer, in a high tornado state.. Watch: Monitor but no change in business Warning: Equipment is shut down, employee move to interior rooms approved as "shelters" (i.e no windows, normally slightly reinforced, etc), until the warning is cleared, or confirmation of the tornado's path as no chance of hitting facility. I have seen other ask the question of "why was the facility open during the warning", questions like that show an extreme ignorance of how tornado's work, and warnings are issued, Warnings are normally short lived events not hours or days long. Warnings last like 15-30mins... Another problem with warnings is many of them have no actual tornado attached to them. It is clear a large amount of the user base has never lived in a high tornado state, I have my entire life.
  - dave78 5y ago
    I also live in a tornado-prone state and agree with all of this. In my experience, nothing at all shuts down in the event of a tornado watch - everything is business as usual (schools, businesses, retail, etc.). Outdoor activities might be cancelled, but even that wouldn't be a given. As said, tornado warnings are short-lived and you just shelter in place wherever you happen to be. I've been crammed in a bathroom with 30-40 other people at my cushy 9-5 office job many times due to tornado warnings. The thought has never even crossed my mind about not going into work during a tornado watch. It's mind-boggling how many people are spouting away here who clearly have no understanding of how tornados work. Didn't anyone ever watch Twister?
bombcar 5y ago
Active tornado warnings happen here all the time - most people ignore the sirens and keep wandering around. Now if the warehouse didn’t have designated tornado shelters …

thr0wawayf00 5y ago

Not specific to this situation, but workers were pissed when Amazon expected them to come in during Hurricane Ida, resulting in 14 deaths, so it's not out of the realm of possibility here. https://gizmodo.com/new-york-amazon-employees-had-to-work-during-deadly-flo-1847606546 https://gizmodo.com/new-york-amazon-employees-had-to-work-du...

asdfasgasdgasdg 5y ago
14 people in total died from Ida-related storms in the NY area. To my understanding based on reading neighborhood group fb posts, mostly people with compromised mobility who were unable to exit flooded apartments. I don't believe any Amazon workers were harmed or killed.
JCM9 5y ago
The deaths during Ida had nothing to do with Amazon or Amazon workers. There’s a story about illegal basement apartments that came out of that, but trying to link this to Amazon is goofy.
seanmcdirmid 5y ago
You should learn to read titles better or actually read the article a bit before making conclusions like this. I know it’s difficult, media will often use adjacency to imply something just as a form of click bate, but the reality is much less exciting. In this case, the deaths were not related to Amazon, just Amazon not closing down when deaths were occurring in the area.

genocidicbunny 5y ago

There were tornado warnings issued for the area. The weather was getting bad. I am not saying these workers were directly coerced into coming in, but I think given the choice, anyone not in some way forced to come in to work would avoid coming in to work when there's a tornado warning for the area. The simple fact that these people came into work leads me to think that one of three things is at play -- ignorance, stupidity, or coercion. So sure, there may be some people who worked at that warehouse who just moved to the area and weren't familiar with tornadoes, tornado warnings and inclement weather. Some may have just completely ignored the danger. But I think the majority felt that they had to still show up to work or risk losing their job. And despite what r/antiwork would have you believe about jobs being plentiful, in some areas they just aren't. Losing a job at the only major employer in the area can spell disaster.