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How can you have integrity of the justice system if you don't have integrity of facts? What you call torture, is the isolation and lack-of-stimulus we put all

by F6F6FA 5y ago

How can you have integrity of the justice system if you don't have integrity of facts? What you call torture, is the isolation and lack-of-stimulus we put all prisoners through. This treatment is not specific to harass Assange, but Assange and his team wants special treatment specific to Assange. Assange is different in many ways. A journalist normally does not convince a suicidal army recruit in Iraq to search the local network for more encrypted files he and his team can crack themselves. The only country to reward such behavior with a medal would maybe be Russia.

aunty_helen 5y ago
Dumbest comment of the internet today. You think the guys that published the watergate stories just said "hey give us what you got and we'll see what we can do with it?" At best you're blatantly astroturfing. At least have the balls to stick your opinion to your account.
- F6F6FA 5y ago
  Heh. Was not Watergate itself about breaking in and stealing documents? According to US, Assange went too far by playing this kid, asking him to use his privilege to scour the network for encrypted files and hand these over. How could Manning even had known of the contents? Or that Wikileaks was safe to trust for protecting its sources and avoiding state-actor influence? At best that was cyberpunk activism, not journalism. > At best you're blatantly astroturfing. What's the worst you got?
shkkmo 5y ago
> What you call torture It has been called torture by a large number of people, including Nils Melzer, the UN Special Rapporteur on Torture. You can dispute the definition, but it has a strong basis in international law. > A journalist normally does not convince a suicidal army recruit in Iraq to search the local network for more encrypted files he and his team can crack themselves. Journalists do a wide variety of things, sometimes those things are unethical, that doesn't stop them from being journalists.
- F6F6FA 5y ago
  If torture, then you should defend that the UK is torturing prisoners. I thought that was going to be a hard sell, but then I checked the most recent thing that Nils wrote and it seems to be selling exactly that: > #Assange’s stroke is no surprise. > As we warned after examining him, unless relieved of the constant pressure of isolation, arbitrariness & persecution, his health would enter a downward spiral endangering his life. > #UK is literally torturing him to death. Prisoners face undue pressure of isolation making strokes unsurprising? Not buying it. Instead, accepting that Assange was a journalist, who was acting in a different manner than usual journalists, and now up to the courts to decide if this manner was against their laws or not. Activism as a motive may actually be a better defense, but not a defense lawyer.
- q1w2 5y ago
  Encouraging military personnel to search for and exfiltrate data goes WAY beyond what a normal journalist does. Regardless of whether you think it's unethical - it's illegal.

by F6F6FA 5y ago

aunty_helen 5y ago

Dumbest comment of the internet today. You think the guys that published the watergate stories just said "hey give us what you got and we'll see what we can do with it?" At best you're blatantly astroturfing. At least have the balls to stick your opinion to your account.

F6F6FA 5y ago
Heh. Was not Watergate itself about breaking in and stealing documents? According to US, Assange went too far by playing this kid, asking him to use his privilege to scour the network for encrypted files and hand these over. How could Manning even had known of the contents? Or that Wikileaks was safe to trust for protecting its sources and avoiding state-actor influence? At best that was cyberpunk activism, not journalism. > At best you're blatantly astroturfing. What's the worst you got?

shkkmo 5y ago

> What you call torture It has been called torture by a large number of people, including Nils Melzer, the UN Special Rapporteur on Torture. You can dispute the definition, but it has a strong basis in international law. > A journalist normally does not convince a suicidal army recruit in Iraq to search the local network for more encrypted files he and his team can crack themselves. Journalists do a wide variety of things, sometimes those things are unethical, that doesn't stop them from being journalists.

F6F6FA 5y ago
If torture, then you should defend that the UK is torturing prisoners. I thought that was going to be a hard sell, but then I checked the most recent thing that Nils wrote and it seems to be selling exactly that: > #Assange’s stroke is no surprise. > As we warned after examining him, unless relieved of the constant pressure of isolation, arbitrariness & persecution, his health would enter a downward spiral endangering his life. > #UK is literally torturing him to death. Prisoners face undue pressure of isolation making strokes unsurprising? Not buying it. Instead, accepting that Assange was a journalist, who was acting in a different manner than usual journalists, and now up to the courts to decide if this manner was against their laws or not. Activism as a motive may actually be a better defense, but not a defense lawyer.
q1w2 5y ago
Encouraging military personnel to search for and exfiltrate data goes WAY beyond what a normal journalist does. Regardless of whether you think it's unethical - it's illegal.