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You're mistaking the hot new fad of Transformers for "new science" and the field of NLP for a scientific field. Transformers have only taken over NLP because th
by YeGoblynQueenne 5y ago
You're mistaking the hot new fad of Transformers for "new science" and the field
of NLP for a scientific field. Transformers have only taken over NLP because
that entire field of research has run out of new ideas, and has been desperately
grasping for straws in the last twenty years. Consequently, NLP researchers have
been jumping on this bandwagon or that ever since I can remember. I enquired
about a PhD in NLP as soon as I finished my degree, in 2011, but by 2014, when I
finished my Master's, I knew that was the last thing I wanted to study: a
subject riddled with sloppy practices, flooded with shaky empirical results,
without any real theory to guide it, without even any useful benchmarks or
credible metrics that could justify the empirical direction. That is why the
GPT-3s and the BERTs and all those data- and power-hungry monstrosities reign
supreme: because NLP is built like a house of cards, with no scientific
foundation whatsoever, so that anybody can claim anything they like and there is
almost nobody left to challenge even the most outlandish claims.
>> In 20 years a hacker-news poster will likely post the same comment,
referencing the 2017 Transformer paper to enforce the idea that all the _good_
science in DL was done years ago.
On the contrary, my expectation is that in 20 years from now people will point
to Transformers and laugh and joke about how misguided people were "back then"
to think that just building larger neural nets would lead to AGI, as they do now
for earlier AI approaches.
What I'm not convinced is that you are any different than the "non-expert" in
your comment, to whom "it takes some time" for ideas to propagate. You are
holding up Transformers as some kind of scientific breakthrough but that is only
the most obvious conclusion to draw from the overhyping of the approach on
social media and the lay press.
- dekhn 5y agoI work in the field and transformers have literally transformed science.
- YeGoblynQueenne 5y agoCan you please clarify which "field" is that and how do you "work" in it?
- dekhn 5y agothe field is the application of machine learning to biology (specifically drug design, but also the wider area of computational biology in all its forms). Here's some of my prior work: https://arxiv.org/abs/1502.02072 https://arxiv.org/abs/1502.02072 however that doesn't use transformers. The DeepMind work on protein structure prediction does, and it represents one of the greatest technical achievements of the modern era. Transformers basically took anything that was "sequence learning" (large fractions of computational biology are) and made it work 100X better over night.
- YeGoblynQueenne 5y agoThank you for clarifying. I see that the paper has six authors two of whom declare equal contribution. Could you please further clarify what was your personal contribution to the paper (to the extent that this doesn't unecessarily expose your personal information)? Regarding Transformers, the results on protein structure prediction are certainly impressive, but they are not enough to justify your comment that "transformers have literally transformed science". At most we can tell that they have considerably improved protein structure prediction. Perhaps your comment was an exaggeration? Edit: I can't find the paper on the ICML 2015 website, although I can see that it has a few hundred citations, as a preprint, which is not uncommon these days. But, could you point to some published work you contributed to?