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If we can change our sex, we should be able to change our age. LGBTQA+ ?

by authed 5y ago

quenix 5y ago
You misunderstand. Transition procedures do not change one’s biological sex and transgender communities have never claimed that they do.
- authed 5y ago
  Can't they change their sex on their driver's license/ID card? (it's pretty much all that matters, probably, as of today) reply to comment below: What I mean is that you could say that you are a male/female or whatever you want and X years old and you would have documentation to back it up.
  - kelseyfrog 5y ago
    > it's pretty much all that matters, probably, as of today Not really understanding this. What does it mean?
  - smoldesu 5y ago
    > you could say that you are a male/female or whatever and X years old and if someone ask you for proof, you would be able to provide it Identifying as male or female is pretty much an arbitrary social structure in today's society. Your age is not.
    - authed 5y ago
      > Identifying as male or female is pretty much an arbitrary social structure Are you sure that everyone's cells age at the same rate?
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    - s1artibartfast 5y ago
      How is age not an arbitrary social structure? There is a lot of social structures and expectations tied to age that are just as arbitrary. People view you differently and there are laws which govern who you can and can not marry.
      - quenix 5y ago
        Age is not an arbitrary social structure—it is a number directly proportional to the number of seconds that have passed since you exited your mother's womb. Gender expression is a social structure, however. Note that I am using the word 'gender expression' here rather than 'biological sex', which is not an arbitrary social structure. See the difference?
        s1artibartfast 5y ago
        Then we should separate the concepts of temporal age from expressed age. For most purposes and matters, we should defer to the individual's expressed age of preference. I can think of few instances where someone's temporal age is more relevant than the expressed age.
        smoldesu 5y ago
        > For most purposes and matters, we should defer to the individual's expressed age of preference. Pray tell, what are some relevant "purposes and matters" where an expressed age would be more practical than a... legally binding one? My understanding was that age isn't just counted for the hell of it, since we have socially decided that younger people shouldn't be allowed to partake in certain "purposes and matters", as opposed to how we socially settled on the idea that men and women are equals.
        s1artibartfast 5y ago
        >Pray tell, what are some relevant "purposes and matters" where an expressed age would be more practical than a... legally binding one? The premise of this case is that an individual wants to change their legal age to what they feel is their expressed age. This would enable them to take advantage of the legal and social practicalities of the younger age. Examples of why some purposes why someone might want to be treated as the age they identify with might be: To receive legal benefits corresponding to the age they identify as. Be protected against discrimination for representing their identified age. Compete in sporting events for their identified age. We have socially settled on the idea that mend and women are equals, and that people can identify as either men or women as they choose. Assuming someone is an adult, they are are considered equal. Why not allow the right to be treated as the age they identify with.
  - sascha_sl 5y ago
    The existence of trans/gnc people/how they do better if you let them do their thing has been documented pretty well for centuries[1]/a century[2] respectively. When it happens with age or race instead of gender it's somehow almost always some conservative taking the piss to draw a false equivalence. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender#History [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institut_f%C3%BCr_Sexualwissenschaft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institut_f%C3%BCr_Sexualwissen...
- Dylan16807 5y ago
  Uh, which kind of biological sex are we talking about? They certainly can change some of those.
- France_is_bacon 5y ago
  Sure. Everyone misunderstands. It seriously is WAY to complicated to actually understand. I've been trying to figure it out for years now, and every time I think I understand, somehow I end up back at square one, every time. Then again, I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed. But I am able to understand man and woman. That's it. Anything more than that makes the water spill out of my teacup sized brain.
strikelaserclaw 5y ago
would certainly help older programmers :)
- contravariant 5y ago
  while (age > 26) --age; Don't try this until you're older, kids.

If we can change our sex, we should be able to change our age. LGBTQA+ ?

by authed 5y ago

If we can change our sex, we should be able to change our age. LGBTQA+ ?

You misunderstand. Transition procedures do not change one’s biological sex and transgender communities have never claimed that they do.

authed 5y ago
Can't they change their sex on their driver's license/ID card? (it's pretty much all that matters, probably, as of today) reply to comment below: What I mean is that you could say that you are a male/female or whatever you want and X years old and you would have documentation to back it up.
- kelseyfrog 5y ago
  > it's pretty much all that matters, probably, as of today Not really understanding this. What does it mean?
- smoldesu 5y ago
  > you could say that you are a male/female or whatever and X years old and if someone ask you for proof, you would be able to provide it Identifying as male or female is pretty much an arbitrary social structure in today's society. Your age is not.
  - authed 5y ago
    > Identifying as male or female is pretty much an arbitrary social structure Are you sure that everyone's cells age at the same rate?
    - deleted 5y ago
      [deleted]
  - s1artibartfast 5y ago
    How is age not an arbitrary social structure? There is a lot of social structures and expectations tied to age that are just as arbitrary. People view you differently and there are laws which govern who you can and can not marry.
    - quenix 5y ago
      Age is not an arbitrary social structure—it is a number directly proportional to the number of seconds that have passed since you exited your mother's womb. Gender expression is a social structure, however. Note that I am using the word 'gender expression' here rather than 'biological sex', which is not an arbitrary social structure. See the difference?
      - s1artibartfast 5y ago
        Then we should separate the concepts of temporal age from expressed age. For most purposes and matters, we should defer to the individual's expressed age of preference. I can think of few instances where someone's temporal age is more relevant than the expressed age.
        smoldesu 5y ago
        > For most purposes and matters, we should defer to the individual's expressed age of preference. Pray tell, what are some relevant "purposes and matters" where an expressed age would be more practical than a... legally binding one? My understanding was that age isn't just counted for the hell of it, since we have socially decided that younger people shouldn't be allowed to partake in certain "purposes and matters", as opposed to how we socially settled on the idea that men and women are equals.
        s1artibartfast 5y ago
        >Pray tell, what are some relevant "purposes and matters" where an expressed age would be more practical than a... legally binding one? The premise of this case is that an individual wants to change their legal age to what they feel is their expressed age. This would enable them to take advantage of the legal and social practicalities of the younger age. Examples of why some purposes why someone might want to be treated as the age they identify with might be: To receive legal benefits corresponding to the age they identify as. Be protected against discrimination for representing their identified age. Compete in sporting events for their identified age. We have socially settled on the idea that mend and women are equals, and that people can identify as either men or women as they choose. Assuming someone is an adult, they are are considered equal. Why not allow the right to be treated as the age they identify with.
- sascha_sl 5y ago
  The existence of trans/gnc people/how they do better if you let them do their thing has been documented pretty well for centuries[1]/a century[2] respectively. When it happens with age or race instead of gender it's somehow almost always some conservative taking the piss to draw a false equivalence. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender#History [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institut_f%C3%BCr_Sexualwissenschaft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institut_f%C3%BCr_Sexualwissen...
Dylan16807 5y ago
Uh, which kind of biological sex are we talking about? They certainly can change some of those.
France_is_bacon 5y ago
Sure. Everyone misunderstands. It seriously is WAY to complicated to actually understand. I've been trying to figure it out for years now, and every time I think I understand, somehow I end up back at square one, every time. Then again, I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed. But I am able to understand man and woman. That's it. Anything more than that makes the water spill out of my teacup sized brain.

strikelaserclaw 5y ago

would certainly help older programmers :)

contravariant 5y ago
while (age > 26) --age; Don't try this until you're older, kids.