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Dutch man, 69, starts legal fight to identify as 20 years younger (2018)
- bob667 5y agoMakes about as much sense a person with a penis thinking they are a woman
- authed 5y agoIf we can change our sex, we should be able to change our age. LGBTQA+ ?
- quenix 5y agoYou misunderstand. Transition procedures do not change one’s biological sex and transgender communities have never claimed that they do.
- authed 5y agoCan't they change their sex on their driver's license/ID card? (it's pretty much all that matters, probably, as of today) reply to comment below: What I mean is that you could say that you are a male/female or whatever you want and X years old and you would have documentation to back it up.
- kelseyfrog 5y ago> it's pretty much all that matters, probably, as of today Not really understanding this. What does it mean?
- smoldesu 5y ago> you could say that you are a male/female or whatever and X years old and if someone ask you for proof, you would be able to provide it Identifying as male or female is pretty much an arbitrary social structure in today's society. Your age is not.
- authed 5y ago> Identifying as male or female is pretty much an arbitrary social structure Are you sure that everyone's cells age at the same rate?
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- s1artibartfast 5y agoHow is age not an arbitrary social structure? There is a lot of social structures and expectations tied to age that are just as arbitrary. People view you differently and there are laws which govern who you can and can not marry.
- quenix 5y agoAge is not an arbitrary social structure—it is a number directly proportional to the number of seconds that have passed since you exited your mother's womb. Gender expression is a social structure, however. Note that I am using the word 'gender expression' here rather than 'biological sex', which is not an arbitrary social structure. See the difference?
- s1artibartfast 5y agoThen we should separate the concepts of temporal age from expressed age. For most purposes and matters, we should defer to the individual's expressed age of preference. I can think of few instances where someone's temporal age is more relevant than the expressed age.
- smoldesu 5y ago> For most purposes and matters, we should defer to the individual's expressed age of preference. Pray tell, what are some relevant "purposes and matters" where an expressed age would be more practical than a... legally binding one? My understanding was that age isn't just counted for the hell of it, since we have socially decided that younger people shouldn't be allowed to partake in certain "purposes and matters", as opposed to how we socially settled on the idea that men and women are equals.
- sascha_sl 5y agoThe existence of trans/gnc people/how they do better if you let them do their thing has been documented pretty well for centuries[1]/a century[2] respectively. When it happens with age or race instead of gender it's somehow almost always some conservative taking the piss to draw a false equivalence. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender#History [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institut_f%C3%BCr_Sexualwissenschaft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institut_f%C3%BCr_Sexualwissen...
- Dylan16807 5y agoUh, which kind of biological sex are we talking about? They certainly can change some of those.
- France_is_bacon 5y agoSure. Everyone misunderstands. It seriously is WAY to complicated to actually understand. I've been trying to figure it out for years now, and every time I think I understand, somehow I end up back at square one, every time. Then again, I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed. But I am able to understand man and woman. That's it. Anything more than that makes the water spill out of my teacup sized brain.
- strikelaserclaw 5y agowould certainly help older programmers :)
- contravariant 5y agowhile (age > 26) --age; Don't try this until you're older, kids.
- khanmaytok 5y agoHe just want to be more successful in Tinder xD
- rvnx 5y agoHe doesn't look bad for his age though :D
- lookalike74 5y agoI mean he should at least look it or something...
- gunfighthacksaw 5y agoQuiet down Icarus.
- okareaman 5y agoPersonal identity is an endless source of fascination for me and most of Western civilization it seems where "individualism" is important, but Eastern philosophers say it just a bunch of thoughts, memories and feelings that are transient and can't be said to really exist. But I guess both East and West would agree identity can be anything that we feel fits since it's made up.
- kelseyfrog 5y agoI'm wrapping up Ásta's Categories We Live By[1] and it's been fun learning about models describing the mechanisms which construct social identity and how people agree or disagree on their construction. Using the article as an example, we can see the institutionalization of age as a label though government documents, policy, and law, but there is also a communal construction presumably by way of Ratelband's friends and family celebrating his birthday and keeping track of his age. Even today, people at least self-identify as an age whenever they "lie" about their age to others. Who or what is the ultimate judge of age? Unfortunately I mean this in a technical capacity. Just like an umpire who is the judge of what is a strike or ball in baseball, who is and who do we want to be the judge of age? In a lot of ways self-conferral is the ultimate form of individual liberty. Why would I want someone else enforcing on me properties about myself? 1. https://doi.org/10.1111/ejop.12744 https://doi.org/10.1111/ejop.12744
- okareaman 5y agoThe link looks interesting. Thanks. Maybe Lewis Carrol's quote about words could be applied to identity as well: “When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.” “The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.” “The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master—that's all.” Lewis Carroll: Through the Looking-Glass
- akomtu 5y agoHN should support this. When most of software engineers turn 40, they'll see a sudden loss of interest from hiring managers. Imagine you could claim you're 25 when you're 50, and if HRs make noise about this nonsense, you'll just label them agists, oldphobes and very bad small minded people in general. Repurpose the woke movement for your needs.
- smoldesu 5y agoYou don't have to disclose your age in the beginning of the interview process. Age-based-discrimination is protected by the US government, the only way you could futz this up is if you're the sort of person who keeps a ridiculously robust social media presence that would instantly give away your age, in which case... your loss.