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The US is dependent on China for defense equipment? Can you provide any examples?

by greedo 5y ago

mercy_dude 5y ago
https://www.defensenews.com/opinion/commentary/2021/06/28/nothing-left-in-the-tank-the-state-of-the-pentagons-supply-chain/ https://www.defensenews.com/opinion/commentary/2021/06/28/no...
- greedo 5y ago
  That article has zero mentions of China being a supplier, of either systems or components.
Supermancho 5y ago
Chip fabrication.
- greedo 5y ago
  Can you back this up with any links? If we banish Huawei from US infrastructure, I can't imagine the DoD signing off on any chips built in the PRC.
  - Supermancho 5y ago
    > Can you back this up with any links? Before I became a developer, I worked QA in chip fabs (both in northern and southern california) in the 90s to the 00s, the writing was on the wall, so to speak. Do a casual google search. https://www.marketplace.org/2021/04/21/shortage-of-semiconductors-is-a-security-risk-and-what-the-u-s-can-do-about-it/ https://www.marketplace.org/2021/04/21/shortage-of-semicondu... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semiconductor_fabrication_plants https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semiconductor_fabricat... https://www.businessinsider.com/why-us-doesnt-make-chips-semiconductor-shortage-2021-4 https://www.businessinsider.com/why-us-doesnt-make-chips-sem... https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2021-chip-production-why-hard-to-make-semiconductors/ https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2021-chip-production-why-... et al.
    - greedo 5y ago
      None of those links show that the US is dependent upon China for defense equipment, including chips. All they do is tout how little semiconductor fabrication is done in the US.
      - Supermancho 5y ago
        The US is literally dependent on Asia at large for chip fabrication (among other goods) today. The fabs in Asia are universally constructed/supplied from materials and technology sourced in China - primarily due to the most abundant material inventory (steel, rare earths, etc) worldwide, but also because of cheap labor. Again, if you're interested in something other than what you've decided, there's Google for you. Good luck with whatever.
- chillacy 5y ago
  Shouldn't ITAR make this a non-issue?

The US is dependent on China for defense equipment? Can you provide any examples?

by greedo 5y ago

The US is dependent on China for defense equipment? Can you provide any examples?

https://www.defensenews.com/opinion/commentary/2021/06/28/nothing-left-in-the-tank-the-state-of-the-pentagons-supply-chain/ https://www.defensenews.com/opinion/commentary/2021/06/28/no...

greedo 5y ago
That article has zero mentions of China being a supplier, of either systems or components.

Supermancho 5y ago

Chip fabrication.

greedo 5y ago
Can you back this up with any links? If we banish Huawei from US infrastructure, I can't imagine the DoD signing off on any chips built in the PRC.
- Supermancho 5y ago
  > Can you back this up with any links? Before I became a developer, I worked QA in chip fabs (both in northern and southern california) in the 90s to the 00s, the writing was on the wall, so to speak. Do a casual google search. https://www.marketplace.org/2021/04/21/shortage-of-semiconductors-is-a-security-risk-and-what-the-u-s-can-do-about-it/ https://www.marketplace.org/2021/04/21/shortage-of-semicondu... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semiconductor_fabrication_plants https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semiconductor_fabricat... https://www.businessinsider.com/why-us-doesnt-make-chips-semiconductor-shortage-2021-4 https://www.businessinsider.com/why-us-doesnt-make-chips-sem... https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2021-chip-production-why-hard-to-make-semiconductors/ https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2021-chip-production-why-... et al.
  - greedo 5y ago
    None of those links show that the US is dependent upon China for defense equipment, including chips. All they do is tout how little semiconductor fabrication is done in the US.
    - Supermancho 5y ago
      The US is literally dependent on Asia at large for chip fabrication (among other goods) today. The fabs in Asia are universally constructed/supplied from materials and technology sourced in China - primarily due to the most abundant material inventory (steel, rare earths, etc) worldwide, but also because of cheap labor. Again, if you're interested in something other than what you've decided, there's Google for you. Good luck with whatever.
chillacy 5y ago
Shouldn't ITAR make this a non-issue?