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Assange judge is 40-year ‘good friend’ of minister who orchestrated his arrest
- hugh-avherald 5y agoThis was not the judge who ruled on the appeal. I see no reason to put any weight on this point.
- mariusor 5y agoFrom the sister article (sic): > Giving the judgement, Lord Chief Justice Lord Burnett said: "That risk is in our judgement excluded by the assurances which are offered.
- 1cvmask 5y agoObviously the judge will be “impartial” and not recuse himself. Only bad countries don’t have justice like China and Russia according to the main stream media.
- IgorPartola 5y agoIs there a word to describe the effect of someone ending a comment in a phrase (in this case “according to the [mainstream] media”) that instantly invalidates the rest of the argument to a reader?
- sildur 5y agoYes, it’s “prejudging”.
- Ensorceled 5y agoThis is true. But is "prejudging" bad? I use prejudging all the time: I prejudge people who drop the n-word in casual conversation. I prejudge people who use terms like "SJW" or "woke". And, yes, I prejudge people who use "main stream media".
- sigmaprimus 5y agoThose are all examples of Post Judgment IMO, I don't agree with you conflating the last two phrases with using the n-word as they are very different. How do You feel about "Lets go Brandon"? oops did I just destroy my earlier argument?
- Ensorceled 5y ago"Let's go Brandon" is simply puerile, the US has become so polarized that the political discourse has degraded to bad cockney rhyming slang. It's such proof of bad faith that I don't even have time for such people.
- mandmandam 5y agoMain stream media are the media who used Assange's stories when it became clear they couldn't ignore them; then helped to smear him while ignoring his torture and a long list of disproportionate and illegal actions against him. You can call them scumbag media, billionaire media, or tool of the warmongers media; but pre-judging people who use the term "main stream media" means you have chosen the side of the opulent oppressor, and willingly put up a wall of ignorance for yourself. Seems dumb, especially on a thread discussing this story of all stories. https://chomsky.info/199710__/ https://chomsky.info/199710__/
- Ensorceled 5y ago"main stream media" is also a radical right calling card. There are nothing good that comes out of using MSM and assorted catch phrases. Big fan of Chomsky, but his usage of the term mainstream media is not what that term has been co-opted to mean by some of the various forces he has, and is, warning us about.
- mandmandam 5y agoMainstream media is the media that is mainstream. I don't give a flying fuck if the GOP decide it means only corporate "left" media. 'Socialism', 'liberal', 'terrorist', 'torture', etc... Allowing brainwashed loons and their puppeteers to decide what words mean is a mug's game, and I suggest you stop playing.
- sigmaprimus 5y agoI bet there is one in German, they always have words for interesting things like that. To be fair, I think there should also be a word to describe the effect of someone beginning a phrase that invalidates the rest of their argument..eg "According to CNN..." *Edit* Sorry about the pronouns. Here is a German phrase that is close to what is needed. Backpfeifengesicht
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- rich_sasha 5y agoMost voices in support of Assange seem to come from people with strong conviction that he is clearly a good guy (unsurprisingly). I don’t really have an opinion. Could someone provide a more impassioned / balanced list of pros and cons? From my vague point of view, I get that he is sort of a journalist (so should be protected), but also the stuff he leaked did go quite far, like borderline-espionage scale (or is that unfair?). States have a reasonable need to keep things secret, even against the immediate best interest of the citizens (but not long term, clearly). Is much known about his associates, funding sources? If I were an enemy of the USA I’d probably quite like Assange (not that this on its own makes Assange himself a bad guy). Could someone fill in the gaps ELI5?
- mikro2nd 5y agoimpassioned (comparative more impassioned, superlative most impassioned) Filled with intense emotion or passion; fervent. Perhaps you meant "impartial"?
- tkfu 5y agoProbably "impassionate". (Which has been displaced in modern usage by "dispassionate", but if you learned your English from books you're likely to still use.)
- not1ofU 5y agoThis is a good read: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/21839908-when-google-met-wikileaks https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/21839908-when-google-met...
- ryanlol 5y agoThere’s no universe in which Assange deserves the treatment he would receive in the US no matter how bad of a guy he is.
- peoplefromibiza 5y agoBut there's a special place in earth where it routinely happens: the US of A. What Assange is suffering pales against what happened in Guantanamo or Abu Ghraib. Nobody ever paid.
- newsclues 5y agoMaxwell judge is Comey’s daughter.
- pjc50 5y agoThis is rather a broader problem in the UK: the country is run by an extremely small group of people who all know each other and who have the capacity to appoint each other to positions of power, all the while getting sympathetic coverage from the press, who they also crossover with. (I wonder why Dame Cressida Rose Dick DBE QPM won't investigate the House of Lords cash-for-peerages scandal? https://news.sky.com/story/met-police-urged-to-launch-cash-for-honours-investigation-amid-fresh-scrutiny-of-conservative-peerages-12462906 https://news.sky.com/story/met-police-urged-to-launch-cash-f... - but why do we have a permanent unelected legislature anyway? That has to be a corruption magnet) I do find the hyperfocus on Assange rather weird though.
- ynth7 5y agoThis is a broader problem in society Inequality and meritocracy are euphemism for caste system
- voakbasda 5y agoThe status quo was a not too different in the US. Look at legacy families like the Bushes, Clintons, Kennedys, etc. Breaking into politics requires embracing some seriously intense nepotism.
- GoodJokes 5y agoIt’s like…America copied the UK. Whoa
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- kklisura 5y agoWhatever opinion you had about Assange, I think history will not look favourably on how he has been treated during this process.
- bryanrasmussen 5y agoyeah the world is already looking at it unfavorably as corrupt and unjust, generally when the view starts out like that history doesn't do anything but double down. But probably the judge doesn't care about the view of history.
- danuker 5y agoHistory is written by the victor. Unless freedom is victorious, future generations might not hear about Assange.
- bobowzki 5y agoKafkaesque
- Havoc 5y agoThe whole assange thing feels like a stitch up
- jasonm23 5y agoMore a tapestry. The amount of IC orchestration required for all the moves here is unlike anything I've ever seen. (Since the cold war) They are telegraphing the entire world here, if you want to expose the truth, think again and maybe stfu.
- the_biot 5y agoVery little orchestration needed to arrest somebody that jumps bail.
- sigmaprimus 5y agoIf he does end up getting extradited to the US, he should hope he ends up in Kalifornia or NuYork and gets released with no bail like all the thieves and lunatics.
- sbuk 5y agoWhen are we going to get the diplomat's wife that murdered the kid near Mildenhall? UK should reject all extraditions to the US until that piece of work is in a UK prison. // Edit Further, we should stop all extraditions to the US until they stop the barbaric practice of capital punishment.
- fmajid 5y agoYou seem to be under the misapprehension that the US and UK are equals, rather than the actual master-poodle relationship. The UK had similar unequal treaties with Imperial China in the 19th Century, and now the boot is on the other foot.
- Normille 5y agoThis ^^ a million times this. I genuinely wonder if people in the US see countries like the UK, Australia, Germany, etc as being "partners" in some kind of relationship of equals? Whereas, from the other side of the telescope it genuinely feels like living in a vassal state "They say jump. We say 'how high?'" There may be as yet undiscovered tribes in the midst of the Amazonian jungle who were surprised by this decision. But, in the UK, we all knew that, once the US "demanded" the UK would bend over and lube up... after the usual bit of judicial theatre, to make it all appear above board, of course.
- aasasd 5y ago> Duncan then flew to Ecuador to meet President Lenín Moreno in order to “say thank you” for handing over Assange. Duncan reported he gave Moreno “a beautiful porcelain plate from the Buckingham Palace gift shop.” Guess I should stock up on gift shop trinkets more often, if they are so useful for securing favors.