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That's its job. It's there to outrage you, but the reality is it doesn't teach you to do much else. The reality is, low density living in countries like the US

That's its job. It's there to outrage you, but the reality is it doesn't teach you to do much else. The reality is, low density living in countries like the US rely on this structure. The same way most of South Korea, including low density zones is built using large apartment blocks... because that's just what works for the country and there's no such thing as being a jack of all trades. I've disliked the apples to oranges and emotional bias present in those videos since the start. But people eat it up. Shame.

scrollaway 5y ago
NJB is not an "outrage" channel, that is utterly absurd. It's an information channel that mostly shows you how things work in the Netherlands and makes the case that it's a better way than the idiotic car-centric north American way. If you're outraged after watching his videos, it's not his fault, it's the fault of your city planners.
- zionic 5y ago
  I’m mostly outraged that the YouTube algorithm keeps showing me his crap just because I like cities skylines. His content is trash and despite consistently disliking it YouTube just won’t learn.
  - seoulmetro 5y ago
    I've come to understand that there are things that have three or so factors, and you will never get rid of them. 1. Views. Usually boosted by getting bandwagoned on a place like Reddit. High viewed videos pop up everywhere, irrelevant or not. 2. Feel good factor, which sprouts from feeling like you learnt something new or can change the world now. 3. Emotional mob mentality. People refuse to believe things are the way they are for anything other than "bad design" or "someone did it wrong". Capitalising on this, is factor three. Some videos fill these 3 boxes and they just show up time and time again, EVERYWHERE. It's the algorithm of the internet, and YouTube loves to lead it.
  - smcl 5y ago
    You can click the three dots beside such videos then select "Don't recommend channel", you won't see these videos in your "Home" section of YouTube. There are a few gurning-in-the-thumbnail types that I've stopped seeing altogether after doing this. If your issue is that you play a video then just keep watching whatever YT shows you next and it's sometimes this person, then I'm not sure if this solves that problem since I don't do this personally
    - zionic 5y ago
      Thanks!
  - scrollaway 5y ago
    Dislikes have little effect on whether a channel is recommended, only individual videos and the related videos to that specific one. Also to dislike a video you need to click it in the first place, which tells YouTube you potentially like content of this sort but the individual videos aren't up to your expectations so it's going to keep trying. As another poster said there is a way to get YouTube to stop recommending the channel to you. Use that instead. Sidenote: i think it's hilarious that it's consistently the car lovers that think NJB is trash. Loving cars immediately must mean that his high quality, well researched content is "trash". Not something you personally dislike, not something you disagree with, no no, the worst trash in the world. I guess disliking that channel is a useful shibboleth to spot the guy driving an SUV.
    - josephcsible 5y ago
      > Loving cars immediately must mean that his high quality, well researched content is "trash". Why is it surprising that people who love cars don't like a channel that basically says you're a bad person if you don't think cars should be abolished?
      - curtisf 5y ago
        NotJustBikes doesn't think cars should be abolished. In fact, they shared a video just three weeks ago about how non-car-centered cities are _better_ to drive in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8RRE2rDw4k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8RRE2rDw4k Car-centric designs for cities makes living in cities worse, _even for people who like cars_. The thesis of Strong Towns isn't that we should ban cars, it's that we should stop _subsidizing_ something that we know is bad for us (in economic terms, health terms, quality-of-life terms, and in ecological terms)
        mcv 5y ago
        It's worth noting that although Dutch infrastructure puts a lot of effort into different modes of transport, especially bikes, it's also excellent for cars. Dutch car drivers often complain about poor road quality in neighbouring countries like Germany and Belgium. There's also a lot of innovation here on smoothing traffic flow, removing traffic lights where possible, and many other things that I'm sure car drivers love. And if you care about well-maintained roads, it helps if your roads are actually maintainable, and for that, it helps if they're efficient and well-designed. I've read a lot about the poor state of infrastructure in the US, and agree with calls to invest more in infrastructure, but it's been Strong Towns, NJB and similar channels that made me realise why US infrastructure is struggling: it's inefficiently designed, making it way too expensive to maintain. The entire past 70 years of US suburban development is apparently build on massive amounts of debt, which has sent several cities into bankruptcy. If you don't want your cities to go bankrupt, you need more efficient infrastructure. And stroads are clearly not that.
  - rdl 5y ago
    I wish there were a way to "block" youtube channels. I feel similarly about this specific content source, but there are a bunch of others who are far worse on other topics.
    - orwin 5y ago
      There is a way, at least in europe? "Do not recommend the channel" in the options.
- seoulmetro 5y ago
  It is an outrage channel. >It's an information channel that mostly shows you how things work in the Netherlands and makes the case that it's a better way than the idiotic car-centric north American way. Yes. Comparing apples to oranges. What an outrage! My apples have less vitamin C! How dare they. >If you're outraged after watching his videos I'm not. But the majority who do watch the video are. It's his fault. The same way people are outraged at many things unjustly after watching a video filled with bias.
  - scrollaway 5y ago
    If it's an outrage channel how come I'm not outraged after watching all of his content? What i am is pleased to have learned a lot about dutch urban design. If anything outrages me, it's how you keep insisting this channel "compares" anything when all it does is showcases dutch cities, and once in a while complains about specific issues in his hometown of London ON.
  - cycomanic 5y ago
    So you're saying it's an outrage channel based on what evidence? You say that the car centric cities of North America are like they are by thoughtful design and that NJB creates outrage by depicting this design as verfiably inferior while in reality it is just "what works for the country". So can you elaborate what is better (and works better) about the design of a car centric "stroad" City compared to a walkable city?
    - seoulmetro 5y ago
      >So can you elaborate what is better (and works better) about the design of a car centric "stroad" City compared to a walkable city? You still don't get it. That's a shame. Have you looked at the US on a map? Do you know how much of the US is low density housing?
  - mcv 5y ago
    Are people outraged by what he says, or by the reality he exposes? Should that reality then remain hidden to keep people complacent? I think it's reality that's outrageous, and it's people like NJB and Strong Towns that are pointing out it could be better, they are pointing out how to make it better. People are outraged because they realise how bad their infrastructure is, and how much better it could be. That's a positive, constructive type of outrage. It's not just fomenting anger for its own sake (as indeed happens way too often in other media).

scrollaway 5y ago

NJB is not an "outrage" channel, that is utterly absurd. It's an information channel that mostly shows you how things work in the Netherlands and makes the case that it's a better way than the idiotic car-centric north American way. If you're outraged after watching his videos, it's not his fault, it's the fault of your city planners.

zionic 5y ago
I’m mostly outraged that the YouTube algorithm keeps showing me his crap just because I like cities skylines. His content is trash and despite consistently disliking it YouTube just won’t learn.
- seoulmetro 5y ago
  I've come to understand that there are things that have three or so factors, and you will never get rid of them. 1. Views. Usually boosted by getting bandwagoned on a place like Reddit. High viewed videos pop up everywhere, irrelevant or not. 2. Feel good factor, which sprouts from feeling like you learnt something new or can change the world now. 3. Emotional mob mentality. People refuse to believe things are the way they are for anything other than "bad design" or "someone did it wrong". Capitalising on this, is factor three. Some videos fill these 3 boxes and they just show up time and time again, EVERYWHERE. It's the algorithm of the internet, and YouTube loves to lead it.
- smcl 5y ago
  You can click the three dots beside such videos then select "Don't recommend channel", you won't see these videos in your "Home" section of YouTube. There are a few gurning-in-the-thumbnail types that I've stopped seeing altogether after doing this. If your issue is that you play a video then just keep watching whatever YT shows you next and it's sometimes this person, then I'm not sure if this solves that problem since I don't do this personally
  - zionic 5y ago
    Thanks!
- scrollaway 5y ago
  Dislikes have little effect on whether a channel is recommended, only individual videos and the related videos to that specific one. Also to dislike a video you need to click it in the first place, which tells YouTube you potentially like content of this sort but the individual videos aren't up to your expectations so it's going to keep trying. As another poster said there is a way to get YouTube to stop recommending the channel to you. Use that instead. Sidenote: i think it's hilarious that it's consistently the car lovers that think NJB is trash. Loving cars immediately must mean that his high quality, well researched content is "trash". Not something you personally dislike, not something you disagree with, no no, the worst trash in the world. I guess disliking that channel is a useful shibboleth to spot the guy driving an SUV.
  - josephcsible 5y ago
    > Loving cars immediately must mean that his high quality, well researched content is "trash". Why is it surprising that people who love cars don't like a channel that basically says you're a bad person if you don't think cars should be abolished?
    - curtisf 5y ago
      NotJustBikes doesn't think cars should be abolished. In fact, they shared a video just three weeks ago about how non-car-centered cities are _better_ to drive in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8RRE2rDw4k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8RRE2rDw4k Car-centric designs for cities makes living in cities worse, _even for people who like cars_. The thesis of Strong Towns isn't that we should ban cars, it's that we should stop _subsidizing_ something that we know is bad for us (in economic terms, health terms, quality-of-life terms, and in ecological terms)
      - mcv 5y ago
        It's worth noting that although Dutch infrastructure puts a lot of effort into different modes of transport, especially bikes, it's also excellent for cars. Dutch car drivers often complain about poor road quality in neighbouring countries like Germany and Belgium. There's also a lot of innovation here on smoothing traffic flow, removing traffic lights where possible, and many other things that I'm sure car drivers love. And if you care about well-maintained roads, it helps if your roads are actually maintainable, and for that, it helps if they're efficient and well-designed. I've read a lot about the poor state of infrastructure in the US, and agree with calls to invest more in infrastructure, but it's been Strong Towns, NJB and similar channels that made me realise why US infrastructure is struggling: it's inefficiently designed, making it way too expensive to maintain. The entire past 70 years of US suburban development is apparently build on massive amounts of debt, which has sent several cities into bankruptcy. If you don't want your cities to go bankrupt, you need more efficient infrastructure. And stroads are clearly not that.
- rdl 5y ago
  I wish there were a way to "block" youtube channels. I feel similarly about this specific content source, but there are a bunch of others who are far worse on other topics.
  - orwin 5y ago
    There is a way, at least in europe? "Do not recommend the channel" in the options.
seoulmetro 5y ago
It is an outrage channel. >It's an information channel that mostly shows you how things work in the Netherlands and makes the case that it's a better way than the idiotic car-centric north American way. Yes. Comparing apples to oranges. What an outrage! My apples have less vitamin C! How dare they. >If you're outraged after watching his videos I'm not. But the majority who do watch the video are. It's his fault. The same way people are outraged at many things unjustly after watching a video filled with bias.
- scrollaway 5y ago
  If it's an outrage channel how come I'm not outraged after watching all of his content? What i am is pleased to have learned a lot about dutch urban design. If anything outrages me, it's how you keep insisting this channel "compares" anything when all it does is showcases dutch cities, and once in a while complains about specific issues in his hometown of London ON.
- cycomanic 5y ago
  So you're saying it's an outrage channel based on what evidence? You say that the car centric cities of North America are like they are by thoughtful design and that NJB creates outrage by depicting this design as verfiably inferior while in reality it is just "what works for the country". So can you elaborate what is better (and works better) about the design of a car centric "stroad" City compared to a walkable city?
  - seoulmetro 5y ago
    >So can you elaborate what is better (and works better) about the design of a car centric "stroad" City compared to a walkable city? You still don't get it. That's a shame. Have you looked at the US on a map? Do you know how much of the US is low density housing?
- mcv 5y ago
  Are people outraged by what he says, or by the reality he exposes? Should that reality then remain hidden to keep people complacent? I think it's reality that's outrageous, and it's people like NJB and Strong Towns that are pointing out it could be better, they are pointing out how to make it better. People are outraged because they realise how bad their infrastructure is, and how much better it could be. That's a positive, constructive type of outrage. It's not just fomenting anger for its own sake (as indeed happens way too often in other media).