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I honestly think that Google underestimated how much they are going to piss off users with MV3. There are thousands of extensions that will stop working and be

by polote 5y ago

I honestly think that Google underestimated how much they are going to piss off users with MV3. There are thousands of extensions that will stop working and be impossible to build. But also there will be a lot of broken experiences as remote loading is forbidden and fixes will need a new release. Can't wait, but that's a very good opportunity for Firefox as Firefox will become more powerful than Chrome

csdvrx 5y ago
Or more likely, towards Edge, by virtue of requiring almost no effort to deploy the same set of extensions in a very similar browser in the hands of a company who doesn't require destroying privacy as much as google does to keep making money.
- nvrspyx 5y ago
  IIRC, the Edge team said they would adopt manifest v3, but correct me if I'm wrong.
  - deleted 5y ago
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  - sharken 5y ago
    This page intended for developers of Edge extensions seems to support your statement: https://github.com/MicrosoftDocs/edge-developer/blob/main/microsoft-edge/extensions-chromium/developer-guide/migrate-your-extension-from-manifest-v2-to-v3.md https://github.com/MicrosoftDocs/edge-developer/blob/main/mi...
  - ComputerGuru 5y ago
    Well, Firefox is adopting it too but not breaking the old manifest support at the same time.
- cube00 5y ago
  One of the "benefits" to Microsoft of using Chromium is reduced development costs and they're not going to get that if they let the forks diverge too much.
  - tentacleuno 5y ago
    Right, but 'we don't support this!' would be a great look when most technical people are already strongly opposed to Manifest v3. I'd call it an easy win, but of course they'd have to maintain that and possibly implement / design their own API's when Manifest v4, for example, comes out... so it's definitely not as easy as it may seem.
  - Rastonbury 5y ago
    I'm sure Microsoft wouldn't mind spending more on development if it means market share from Google if Chrome breaks everyone's extensions and they still work on Edge
- fooey 5y ago
  Edge seems to be trying very hard to kill all the momentum they've gained They recently baked in a "feature" to hijack online shopping with some Pay Later garbage: https://gizmodo.com/microsoft-keeps-making-its-edge-browser-worse-for-some-1848139003 https://gizmodo.com/microsoft-keeps-making-its-edge-browser-... Now they're running gross little popups if you browse to the Chrome installer in Edge: https://gizmodo.com/seriously-what-is-going-on-with-microsoft-edge-1848150282 https://gizmodo.com/seriously-what-is-going-on-with-microsof... > “Microsoft Edge runs on the same technology as Chrome, with the added trust of Microsoft.” > “That browser is so 2008! Do you know what’s new? Microsoft Edge.” > “I hate saving money,” said no one ever. Microsoft Edge is the best browser for online shopping.
  - charrondev 5y ago
    Too be honest I don’t think the messages to use edge over chrome are really in the same category as the others. Googles plaster their homepage with a big banner of “hey chrome is so much better than what your using” and did for years. A bit tit for tat in my book.
    - Dylan16807 5y ago
      I just think it's hilarious that they simultaneously call chrome old hat while boasting that they're the same as chrome.
korethr 5y ago
In the article, Firefox is cited as intending to adopt MV3 for compatibility reasons. If they indeed do so, I'm not sure how much relief running Firefox will offer from the more evil aspects of MV3.
- mkl 5y ago
  Firefox will not implement all the restrictions: https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2021/05/27/manifest-v3-update/ https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2021/05/27/manifest-v3-updat...
- jeroenhd 5y ago
  With Firefox's market share, not much. This could massively benefit Firefox adoption, though, because everyone relying on old extensions will have to switch. From that viewpoint, the new restrictions could actually be a good thing.
  - chihuahua 5y ago
    At the point when Edge (Chromium) no longer supports proper adblockers, I would instantly stop using it and use Firefox for almost everything. It would be a 100% deal-breaker for me. Right now, I have Firefox installed but don't use it much, because I don't see a compelling advantage.
    - AnonC 5y ago
      If you start using Firefox now, you may probably better appreciate it (especially if you also look at other features and extensions like Containers).
- renzo88 5y ago
  My understanding is that they will adopt but continue to support "legacy" extensions
- kelnos 5y ago
  They're not really "adopting" it as the way forward. Firefox will be able to use Mv3-type extensions, but the current extension types will continue to work.
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Hackbraten 5y ago
Chances are that alienating the power users won’t even make a dent in Chrome’s marketshare. I’d suspect a majority of users isn’t even aware that browser extensions are a thing.

by polote 5y ago

csdvrx 5y ago

Or more likely, towards Edge, by virtue of requiring almost no effort to deploy the same set of extensions in a very similar browser in the hands of a company who doesn't require destroying privacy as much as google does to keep making money.

nvrspyx 5y ago
IIRC, the Edge team said they would adopt manifest v3, but correct me if I'm wrong.
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]
- sharken 5y ago
  This page intended for developers of Edge extensions seems to support your statement: https://github.com/MicrosoftDocs/edge-developer/blob/main/microsoft-edge/extensions-chromium/developer-guide/migrate-your-extension-from-manifest-v2-to-v3.md https://github.com/MicrosoftDocs/edge-developer/blob/main/mi...
- ComputerGuru 5y ago
  Well, Firefox is adopting it too but not breaking the old manifest support at the same time.
cube00 5y ago
One of the "benefits" to Microsoft of using Chromium is reduced development costs and they're not going to get that if they let the forks diverge too much.
- tentacleuno 5y ago
  Right, but 'we don't support this!' would be a great look when most technical people are already strongly opposed to Manifest v3. I'd call it an easy win, but of course they'd have to maintain that and possibly implement / design their own API's when Manifest v4, for example, comes out... so it's definitely not as easy as it may seem.
- Rastonbury 5y ago
  I'm sure Microsoft wouldn't mind spending more on development if it means market share from Google if Chrome breaks everyone's extensions and they still work on Edge
fooey 5y ago
Edge seems to be trying very hard to kill all the momentum they've gained They recently baked in a "feature" to hijack online shopping with some Pay Later garbage: https://gizmodo.com/microsoft-keeps-making-its-edge-browser-worse-for-some-1848139003 https://gizmodo.com/microsoft-keeps-making-its-edge-browser-... Now they're running gross little popups if you browse to the Chrome installer in Edge: https://gizmodo.com/seriously-what-is-going-on-with-microsoft-edge-1848150282 https://gizmodo.com/seriously-what-is-going-on-with-microsof... > “Microsoft Edge runs on the same technology as Chrome, with the added trust of Microsoft.” > “That browser is so 2008! Do you know what’s new? Microsoft Edge.” > “I hate saving money,” said no one ever. Microsoft Edge is the best browser for online shopping.
- charrondev 5y ago
  Too be honest I don’t think the messages to use edge over chrome are really in the same category as the others. Googles plaster their homepage with a big banner of “hey chrome is so much better than what your using” and did for years. A bit tit for tat in my book.
  - Dylan16807 5y ago
    I just think it's hilarious that they simultaneously call chrome old hat while boasting that they're the same as chrome.

korethr 5y ago

In the article, Firefox is cited as intending to adopt MV3 for compatibility reasons. If they indeed do so, I'm not sure how much relief running Firefox will offer from the more evil aspects of MV3.

mkl 5y ago
Firefox will not implement all the restrictions: https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2021/05/27/manifest-v3-update/ https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2021/05/27/manifest-v3-updat...
jeroenhd 5y ago
With Firefox's market share, not much. This could massively benefit Firefox adoption, though, because everyone relying on old extensions will have to switch. From that viewpoint, the new restrictions could actually be a good thing.
- chihuahua 5y ago
  At the point when Edge (Chromium) no longer supports proper adblockers, I would instantly stop using it and use Firefox for almost everything. It would be a 100% deal-breaker for me. Right now, I have Firefox installed but don't use it much, because I don't see a compelling advantage.
  - AnonC 5y ago
    If you start using Firefox now, you may probably better appreciate it (especially if you also look at other features and extensions like Containers).
renzo88 5y ago
My understanding is that they will adopt but continue to support "legacy" extensions
kelnos 5y ago
They're not really "adopting" it as the way forward. Firefox will be able to use Mv3-type extensions, but the current extension types will continue to work.

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Hackbraten 5y ago

Chances are that alienating the power users won’t even make a dent in Chrome’s marketshare. I’d suspect a majority of users isn’t even aware that browser extensions are a thing.